The Mentalist The Desert Rose Review


Synopsis

After watching RJ’s threatening DVD in the attic, CBI Senior Agent Lisbon (Tunney) and consultant Patrick Jane (Baker) realize they are walking a very fine line. Yet their talk is delayed when they are called to a crime scene: forced to feign normalcy when their mind is reeling with inner turmoil and fear, it soon becomes patent that their different take of the situation and their opposite course of action may drive them apart on the burning issue of the serial killer.

Concise Verdict

At long last! A number of questions were left from the finale and even if most of them are still mysteries, in this thrilling premiere some of the audience’s expectations are being met and in a skilful manner: a whole range of poignant emotions are being stirred, from simple worry to heart-shattering fear. Indeed, Lisbon has been targeted and her fate is unsure. One of the major pet peeves of the last seasons has been solved and magnificently at last: there was no way the serial killer wouldn’t try to get his black gloved bloodied hands on her at some point and creator Bruno Heller gave to the event the importance it deserves. Even more cleverly, he addressed at the same time fans’ doubts about the suspect who has been on the show the longest: Brett Partridge has been pestering Jane ever since the pilot and he gets the honor of being the first to be taken care of. Well played, Mr Heller! 10/10

Detailed AKA Humongous Review (spoilers galore)

The opening talk between the two leads gives both continuity with the previous season finale and a time line (the recording was supposed to have taken place two months ago, before Lorelei was killed). For once we also get to witness in detail their reaction to a dramatic event –that rarely happened before for the aftermath of the other finales… Jane is feelings down as he doesn’t know how to react to RJ’s statement that he’s a real psychic: intellectually it goes against his strongest beliefs yet he cannot fathom any real explanation for the trick his nemesis played on him… It’s pretty disconcerting to see the clever showman as the gaping audience: it’s the position he usually puts others into… And the first discordant notes with Lisbon appear when she insists they go to a crime scene after being called by Bertram, one of their suspects… Jane answers disbelievingly: “I don’t want to work right now, Lisbon, I need to think” but Lisbon takes him there anyway.

VIS # 1: Jane solves the case

There Jane solves the cases in record time: a look at how the room was decorated with a huge painting of the couple on the wall, pictures of baseball players, some baseball match playing in the bedroom, peanuts near the chair the distraught widower was sitting as if he was watching a match on TV too… He already gathers the man is a narcissist baseball player; plus the wife’s wardrobe and belongings hastily put in place gives him another clue since they clash with the image of the pretty woman displayed in the house… Jane is particularly ruthless (he doesn’t say hello to the techs), he starts asking curt questions to the supposedly devastated widower. It’s obvious he wants to get it done fast: he doesn’t think calmly, hence the huge mistake he makes when confronting the widower and accusing him when they’re alone. He tricks him into revealing himself in front of the cops by threatening him with his gun but doesn’t think that the man might take the second gun in the safe too…

Moreover, the widower’s motive for strangling his wife was pride: his vanity couldn’t take that she was dumping him. And pride too was what caused Jane’s wife death, as Jane couldn’t help but playing the charismatic psychic on TV by taunting a very dangerous man… There’s a subtle similarity between Jane and the widower: the painting which illustrates the latter’s ego bears a notable resemblance with Jane, with the same sun-kissed wavy hair, even though the man himself has actually darker hair. The effect is underlined by the fact that Jane is standing before it and remarks rather rudely to the tech that she’s staring at him like he has “two heads” (in various shots the painting head is precisely behind his own). His impatience to get things over as fast as possible also leads to endangering himself and the others. His behaviour is a bit worrying: usually Jane is far more fearful and doesn’t like guns, while here he handles it very smoothly (he puts peanuts in the chamber) and puts himself in harms way on purpose. His amusing charming façade is down, he is nervous and eager to get back to the attic. Of course, that scene both prepares his disagreement with Lisbon about who is in charge and foreshadows how his partner will be endangered because of Jane’s long displayed hubris in catching his nemesis.

VIS # 2: Jane and Lisbon talk with Bertram- first suspect

The consequences of Jane’s recklessness trigger a meeting with Bertram, their boss and a prime suspect in the list of seven. Lisbon’s nervousness is palpable as she exclaims “crap”. Jane gives her advice to “just act naturally, breathe”. His dismissive façade is back in place: to Bertram’s question “are you insane?” he answers breezily “you’re asking her or you’re asking me? Just speaking for myself the answer is no. Lisbon? Sane? Not sane? ” He completes his show by shrugging and grimacing while feigning ignorance… Those are is usual antics: he misbehaves and diffuses the situation with humor. He also helps Lisbon regain her bearings by giving her the opportunity to get back in her own usual role: the non-nonsense professional who apologizes for him. Only Jane interrupts her by stating « oh, stop! You did nothing wrong ». Again, the idea of responsibility is addressed as Jane wants to assume the blame for what happened: it was his plans and he said he was sorry that things didn’t go as he hoped. Yet Bertram stresses « she is responsible » and Lisbon too affirms firmly « I am responsible ». The moment serves as a reminder of Lisbon’s status: even if Jane considers her and equal and his partner, as a matter of fact she is actually his boss. As such, she is bound to take the brunt of his actions.

But suddenly Gale changes his strategy by emphasizing that he wants to protect her from SacPD’s wrath by sending them away for a case. He’s being helpful, with doesn’t fit with his previous attitude when both got into trouble. After all, he wanted Jane to rot in jail after Carter was shot and he tried firing Lisbon afterwards. Is his protectiveness steaming from the help they offered him during his struggling with poker in ‘Red in Tooth and Claw’? Either way, almost every of his lines brims with a possible darker meaning:

–  « SacPD wants your blood » alludes to the fact that Lisbon might be targeted.

– Then about the RJ case: “I’ve heard you’ve got close”, “you can’t keep secrets around here”, then telling that there’s a “buzz all around the building”… is that founded knowledge 1) a conclusion for the week long reclusion in the attic at the end of season, 2) a result of Lisbon asking Jane about the names on the list when entering the bullpen at the beginning of the finale, or 3) was he informed by Kirkland after his men broke into the attic?

– He insists on those “fresh leads”, the theme at the front of their minds then; that’s exactly how RJ would play his hand, adding even more stress to their discomfort.

– He wants to be told first: it may be because he’s their boss, as he might want to avoid a situation like the disaster in Vegas and get good publicity. Or he might want to keep Kirkland in the loop, like Minelli had been doing for years through Alexa Schultz. Or it may be because he has a personal interest in the case.

– He admits that he may seem « calculating and even duplicitous, but please understand that it comes with the job description. I’m many things to many people”. That is so much a RJ thing to say it seems a huge wink to the audience. Indeed, the idea that he’s balancing many functions, activities and personas doubled with the power over many people he’s displaying both fit the CBI boss and a possible sect leader like RJ… That and being “calculating” and liking power also reminds of the poker game, both a favorite of good ol’ Gale and a metaphor for the struggle between Jane and his archenemy.

VIS #3: the talk in the car

When Lisbon drives Jane to the second crime scene of the episode, we get another debrief about the situation they’re in, but this time they’re calmer and Lisbon starts thinking of a way to use the list to their advantage or at least she tries to think about it rationally. Yet, the psychic angle is once again alluded to with a mind reading example when she asks “are you thinking what I’m thinking?” and Jane proceeds to tell her “you think Bertram is RJ and that he set us out of town for a reason. He sent us out of the way for his next move”. He then tries to dissipate the tension by telling he on the other hand is thinking about trains and imitates one childishly. Yet Lisbon doesn’t react to his joke and it becomes visible that they are indeed not thinking about the same thing, that their planned course of action is very different.

Lisbon is action-oriented and thinks as a cop: she asks “so what do we do?” Meanwhile, Jane thinks like a hunter, a conman and a strategist: he doesn’t know what to do and thus chooses to wait for the next move to allow himself time to think. This passivity irritates Lisbon who prefers a more forward and public approach: « we have to do something: arrest them all, release the names publicly, something ». Jane replies “maybe that’s what RJ wants us to do”: the secretive consultant prefers keeping things close to his vest understandably: the least RJ knows about their future plans, the more chances they can get to avoid falling in a trap.

When Lisbon suggests involving the team at least, Jane starts showing more clearly his very real worry “no, no. we tell no one about the list, no one”… Lisbon tells that RJ knows about the list anyway and Jane insists “anyone who knows about the list is in danger. We tell no one.” Then he mutters “I shouldn’t even have told you…” He’s afraid of what the next move will be, as the victim in the finale was someone he knew in the past, he’s worried RJ would start aiming at those he’s close to now… He’s always felt guilt about endangering his family and now that his CBI team might be in danger too because of him we can guess he’s feeling even worse. After all, one of his reasons for keeping things from Lisbon has always been admittedly to protect her: now that he’s breached that rule of his, he must fear having made a huge mistake and that giving his trust may come with a price…

VIS #4: Jane and Lisbon meet Partridge at the crime scene – second suspect

At the crime scene, they have a nasty surprise: Brett Partridge is the tech in charge of the skeleton found buried in the sand. Again the beach and the sea remind of RJ as Lorelei and part of the previous season were liked to the sea and the fishing, rising the question of who is the fish and who is the fisherman. And in this premiere, it’s being hinted that Jane is really becoming the one who is hunted down by the ruthless killer. There’s another allusion to his scheme when Partridge told them the corpse has been here for two months, meaning at the time the DVD was supposedly recorded…

Lisbon is nervous and looks at Jane to get assurance, but Brett is smiling and creepy as usual: his first words refer to the flowers growing among the victim’s bones which are “kinda beautiful and weird”. He tries again to pose as a serious investigator, giving Lisbon advice about crossing references to identify the victim and seeming saddened when Jane tells him she’s doing just that already. He’s over eager and thinks himself as a specialist, like he did with RJ crime scenes which infuriated Jane in the pilot… And his creepiness and ghoulish enthusiasm for the macabre shows further when he reacts to the victim’s name by talking to the skeleton: “hello, Mr Yardley. Who did this to you, huh?” For him, the line between professional of death and gore geek is pretty thin… What makes him also pretty in character is his discomfort in front of Jane: he’s a bit afraid of him and asks him is something is the matter. Amusingly, it is the same kind of reaction, but inversed, that the consultant had with the tech at the first crime scene: he was also uncomfortable and annoyed by the staring and confronted her about it. It also reminds of the altercation Jane had with Partridge at Eileen Barlow’s murder scene in ‘Red John’s Rules’, which happened only a few days before in the show storyline… Unlike he did with Bertram, Jane doesn’t try to fake normalcy: he steps over the bones and comes threateningly closer to ask “you really don’t know?” Partridge backs down and during the new debrief talk in the car Lisbon asks him what’s his take on him, to which Jane only answers that RJ must be a really good actor. Meaning that he’s not ready yet to chalk Brett off the list. He has no certitude and both feel the need to talk about it after every step because they’re in this together and to search some measure of reassurance in the other.

VIS # 5 : Jane and Lisbon at the diner

The duo soon stops at a nearby dinner where they resume their talk after ordering some food. Jane chooses Oolong tea, then changes it to simple tea when he sees the bartender disbelieving reaction. Jane generally only asks for tea when he’s at suspects’ houses. The fact that he’s picky now then reminds a bit of the Lampsang Souchong he asked in the mall before shooting Carter, or the one he served to Darcy when she refused to close the Panzer case. His precision then shows that’s he’s feeling anxious and needs to be in control even of a small thing.

Again, the bartender refers to the psychic angle making RJ’s shadow loom over them as she pretends to have a kind of “spooky” psychic gift: « I had a bad feeling, like there was something evil out there ». That detail too reminds of the bad omen in ‘Red Moon’: death is close and one of RJ’s plan is in the making. Jane doesn’t react as usual with a tart reply about psychic but seem amused by the coincidence. When Lisbon raises the theme once more about what they are doing here, he states “I’m eating eggs, you’re staring at a dry muffin”… Eggs are his comfort food and she can’t bring herself to eat: under their pretence at investigating their nervousness is showing. He tries assessing again that RJ’s not psychic, continuing their talk from the rooftop but she finally admits: “I’m scared because I have never seen you like this before. It’s like you don’t know what to do.” Yet, Jane again refuses help from outside.

His passivity is the same that he showed in the finale: then he took the blows RJ was sending him one by one and now he still seems in shock. But the danger is that control freak Lisbon would be tempted to take matters into her own hands… Their disagreement and fear make a very perilous combination.

VIS # 6: Lisbon calls Grace

Indeed, the mood doesn’t lighten when they’re in their respective rooms. Neither sleep, both are shown thinking while resting on their beds, uneasy and isolated. Lisbon then gets up and calls Grace in a snap decision. The redhead is in the bullpen in a rather domestic moment with her lover Rigsby massaging her shoulders, in contrast with Lisbon’s loneliness. Yet Lisbon is in her take-charge mode and needs back-up: she thinks like a team leader, evaluating the situation and her subordinates’ state of mind (“it’s like he read Jane’s mind. Which makes Jane paranoid, understandably”). She called Grace because she was the most skilled with computer and white-hat hacking. To put it in a few words, she thinks like a professional and trusts her own cop instincts: “I have the strongest feeling that we need to do something and I need your help.” But she does it in the most reasonable manner, trying to ensure maximum secrecy on the fact that they’re put GPS bugs on seven suspects’ phones. Beside, it’s pretty interesting that she decided to side with the only other woman in the team: it may not be the first reason to choose Grace, but the fact remains that she’s certainly the least prone to go along with one of Jane’s schemes behind her back… problem is she’s not as immune to Wayne’s prodding and as Cho later put it the man cannot keep anything for his best bud/confident either. Like Lisbon in fact, they all think like a team: they know each other inside and out, they understand the others’ reactions and they try to help them as far as can. Unfortunately it also ironically echoes Bertram’s statement that they “can’t keep secrets around here”… The risk inherent to their trust and predicament is further hinted at by the victim’s cold and unfeeling dysfunctional family.

VIS #7: Jane is back at the dinner

Meanwhile, Jane distracts himself cooking eggs: he tries to win the cook’s trust like he did with the murderous widow in ‘Red Sauce’. Not to mention that the last time someone has been cooking eggs was in Jane’s motel room in Vegas after his night with Lorelei…

As a matter of fact, Jane has been trying divert Lisbon’s attention and his own from the red elephant in the room: thinking about trains; wanting to stay in the desert because he admits that “the desert helps [him] think”. Even the “Mexico” club owned by the victim is associated to running away, since Mexico was the destination Jane offered to Danny, Culpepper and Lorelei… He’s afraid and tries to avoid taking a decision because he doesn’t know what to do: Jane is in stand by for the moment, for fear of making a bad move…
Lisbon bid her time and keeps an eye on him: he remarks that « you don’t trust me alone, huh? », hinting at the general distrust they’re both in. the fact that said distrust in also insinuating itself in their partnership show a well-hidden but deep crack in their duo, as he has already failed her more than once, particularly in that desert he’s referring to. But it’s also hinted that someone is watching them, hence Lisbon’s closed curtains while calling Van Pelt in her room and the intriguing shot of Grace in the bullpen from above, maybe from the railing, after she hangs up. There’s a general impression of danger waiting to fall upon them, suggested by the red elements in the backgrounds: the pictures of baseball players in the first case, the flowers behind the widow in the second, the lightening and decoration of the club, the red trains, the furnishing in the dinner. And Lisbon and Jane seem all the more spatially isolated in the desert, closed off in their secret.

VIS # 8: Grace arrives and things start falling apart

As Jane arrives at the dinner, Jane immediately understands what Lisbon did, as he knows them very well. In front of a speechless and embarrassed Grace, who gives off the impression of a kid watching her parents fight, a livid Jane expresses his terror and frustration at Lisbon’s initiative and his hurt that she went behind his back. Lisbon’s reaction is pretty harsh too: “You told me? You’re not my boss. This is my case. Red John is my case. You work for me”… Her outburst at him is a reply to her own frustrations with the man’s schemes for years, and to his attitude towards RJ’s case (“Red John is my case”/ “Red John is mine”). She’s fed up with Jane’s domineering attitude and his “secretive and controlling” ways, to quote Barlow. In that weird role reversal it is then Lisbon who is scolded for acting inconsiderately in taking a serious decision alone, for not telling him the truth and wanting to protect him by keeping things for him… while he’s angry because she took a huge risk without realizing there will be consequences. He’s genuinely afraid for her, not angry because she took the case from him, like he would have been normally (cf. “I shouldn’t even have told you” in the car before). The argument culminates when he calls her “childish” and she retorts that he’s “arrogant”: both are unfortunately right to some extend, as Lisbon hasn’t really taken the measure of who they are up against too, whereas Jane is too proud to admit he has been outsmarted by RJ and that he needs help. Jane then chasing after her is pretty symbolic: he never tried to diffuse her anger that way before, which indicates how shaken he is and that this dispute is a key moment between them.

Jane solves the case with the help of the team: he ironically uses the bartender’s “psychic gift” to get to her, as a way to allegorically hint that he aim to disclose RJ’s trick too… The team acts as assistant pretty smoothly: they are already taking Lisbon’s place by his side during the investigation…

VIS # 9: the trap

The last car talk between the partners in pretty meaningful too since Lisbon is ignoring his call while he apologies and wants to make up with her (“I’m sorry we argued. I realised, er… just, just call me…”). There is an emphasis on phones: she’s called to an address by the cops and she realizes Patridge’s bugged phone is currently over there. She calls SacPD for back-up. The whole exchange gets even more stress-full when Jane calls her again unsuccessfully while she’s in the dark house, asking in vain in a falsely cheerful tone “where are you? Call me”. Those obviously lead climax call RJ makes from her phone to warn Jane that he has his beloved partner…
Indeed, the idea of getting Lisbon alone in the house banks on her cop instincts and her selfless nature: she thinks someone might be in danger, so she gets in, damn the consequences. If Partridge is the serial killer and if he’s hurting some innocent, she has to stop him. She obviously doesn’t think like a strategist, again, but like a cop who has a duty: danger calls for a fast reaction. That’s what makes her a good cop, but an easy target too, unfortunately… Lisbon is soon facing two closed doors, waiting for her like two options; they remind of the closed door in the pilot, inside another empty dark house, with death waiting behind it: tech Partridge has been stuffed inside the closet behind second one, like the morgue attendant was in Rosalind’s home. His first words are the same as Todd Johnson: “tyger, tyger

May it be hours or only moments later, while RJ taunts Jane over the phone, we can see he’s tracing a smiley on Lisbon’s pale face. The grotesque drawing reminds a bit of a clown and the vertical stokes on eyes give the illusion that the smiley or herself are crying blood over her cheeks. RJ’s movements seem rather gentle, almost tender, which makes one wonders why he’s not harsher: does he consider her as his masterpiece he needs to treat with respect, a little like he took the time to paint Angela’s toenails with blood? Is she under the influence of drugs and is he careful not to wake her? Or is that a hint to a more personal interest, like Haffner or Kirkland might have displayed towards her? Either way, Lisbon’s fate is full of uncertainty: it seems improbable that he has killed her since she’s the female lead, the show would lose a great number of fans otherwise. Besides RJ has rarely left two dead victims at one crime purposely, except for Jane’s family: the other cases were respectively a mistake (a man witnessed the murder) and Bosco’s team being killed by Rebecca. RJ’s words “she can’t come right now” don’t indicate that she won’t be able to talk to him ever either… Yet it would be hard to tell if she was painted as a living warning, or if Red John would keep her some more to rattle Jane’s chain (although his reason for his bloody make-over would be a bit cryptic then). On the other hand, his motive for targeting Lisbon from the very start is pretty clear: she was trying to think rationally and to help her partner, thus she was bringing him small amount of comfort. She was his true “desert rose”, the blooming flower in the desert of despair, his ray of hope. Even if she gets back at his side, RJ would have already killed a happy memory indeed, since Jane would be loath to confide in her again for fear or endangering her and losing her for good. And after feeling relieved that Lisbon may not be dead, the next blow RJ is undoubtedly planning will hurt Jane even worse.

Besides, the scene plays with two characteristic patterns between Jane and Lisbon: the serious and meaningful talks they’ve gotten in their cars (in this episode as well as in ‘Red Moon’ and ‘Red John’s Rules’ among many others, along with the uncomfortable silence in ‘Red Velvet Cupcakes’) and the phone cal during a dramatic moment. Indeed, Jane has talked to her over the phone when she was searching for a bomb, then after Craig O’Laughlin shot her. Even her misadventure with the bomb vest in ‘Strawberry and Cream’ counts as he had joined her just after hanging up. The twisting of the well-known occurrences reinforces the viewers’ worries by bending a familiar situation.

Honorable Mentions: Impeccable writing, impressing acting, general evil-geniusness… what else can I add?🙂

Conclusion:

1) Why kill Partridge?

When Lisbon suggested making the list public, Jane reply was “maybe that’s what RJ wants us to do”. By killing Brett, RJ forces him to explain publicly why the man was targeted. It’s as if RJ needed to create a spotlight to better hide himself in the shadows… Without any doubt, if Jane reveals the names on the list after the stunts he pulled on the FBI, he will alienate the favors of every law agency around (FBI, CBI, local cops, Homeland Security, Visualise members in law enforcement, they’re all involved with the six remaining suspects). He wouldn’t be able to find any secret ally which would provide him with information like Minelli managed to do before. Killing off one of the seven adds the advantage of taunting Jane while forcing him into action: he would need to make a move and investigate the remaining six, things are getting too dangerous to stay put.

Besides, if the « tyger, tyger » was a hint that Brett had been a minion, his fear of Jane might have turn him in a liability –or he could have been told those words while being tortured and was trying to give Lisbon a clue before dying. Anyway, he was certainly the suspect Lisbon would think she could handle the most easily and, as such, could have been chosen as the greatest effective to lure her in the trap… And if RJ was looking for a corpse to leave beside Lisbon to make Jane realise he could have killed her, the man fits the pattern the killer initiated at Rosalind’s house: a specialist of death hidden in a closet, as a way to tell him their roles have been reversed and that he’s chasing him like Jane has been during the Panzer arc, even though RJ was hoping his friendship offer would be accepted.

2) The setting of Lisbon’s disappearance

When she entered the room, Lisbon was about to open the white door, but turned to the other closed door on the other side, which concealed Partridge. Then, she leant forward towards him while he was lying on the floor and, after he died, she stood up again and we had a pretty good view of the room behind her. Just before being snatched away, Lisbon was staring at the empty bathroom: someone had opened that door while she was focused on Brett. Problem is there was no room behind her to sneak on her while she was bent over her coworker: there was only the wall and the window. For someone to have opened the bathroom door and exited using the window, they would have had to stride over Lisbon. The only explanation I can fathom is that there were two of them: one who opened the white door from inside (and who stayed hidden in the bathroom, flat against the wall or behind the yellowish curtain) and another who snatched Lisbon from outside, from the window (which was masked by another yellowish curtain). The scene has been carefully set with the doves’ noises making any possible cracking of the door, the open windows allowing someone to enter and the curtains blocking her view of the outside. Of course, there’s always the possibility that it was a minion who helped RJ with that door; still, targeting Lisbon and talking to Jane is pretty personal, maybe too much to bring a mere follower.
Conclusion: there might be two RJ…

That may explain the hints we got during the episode: Jane asking if he has two heads at the first crime scene (and standing before a painting in which the widower-murderer resembled him very much, giving the illusion that he had indeed two heads) and in the second case, the fact that there were two killers (and the bartender). And the trick with the bathroom door can be related to a magician actually doing the trick (taking Lisbon) and his assistant distracting the audience with the mysteriously opened door.

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105 responses to “The Mentalist The Desert Rose Review

  • Rose UK

    I’ve been really looking forward to your review, Violet! Definitely worth waiting for: some great points I hadn’t thought of…🙂

    Some other details that struck me:

    The name of the motel was “borrego” – which in Spanish can mean either “lamb/sheep” or “lie” or “tall story/hoax” (particularly in Central America, I gather). The idea, perhaps, of a sacrificial lamb, or possibly even referring to Blake’s poem The Lamb (in opposition to The Tiger). Clever! Plus the bar in Mexicali was called The Wild Cat…😉

    I noticed more clearly in this episode that the wall in Jane’s attic says something like “nautical supplies”, which links to the fishing theme. And Bertram again uses some fisherman’s language – can’t recall exactly what, though.

    Being English myself, the name “Yardley” also struck me because it’s the name of an old, well-established London soap/fragrance manufacturer. It might be a stretch, but it’s famous for lavender so I thought it might have been chosen by Bruno for the victim’s rather floral/funereal setting. Maybe!!! (I know roses and lilies were the main thing in this ep).

    As regards the final shocking scenes – I felt like there was something important about the pigeons, but couldn’t quite put my finger on it. There were an awful lot of bird references in Red Lacquer last season… I also wonder if there’s a clue in the type of knife RJ was using? Is it a medical implement? Fishing tool? (Am asking, ‘cos have no idea about knives…!) I felt that RJ was ‘marking’ Lisbon in a way – in the same way as an animal marks its territory. As if saying to Jane: “Look what I can do to her – if you see her like this, you’ll know I’ve been here and that I’ve kind of ‘stained’ her for you.” Nasty.

    And finally (for now at least!): beautiful interchanges between J & L, and the team! I thought the same as you, Violet, in that Grace looked caught in the middle of a fight between mum and dad.😉 But she has always been the most open member of the team, and I thought it was so sweet (and in keeping with her character) how she tried to get Jane to reconcile with Lisbon.

    Jane’s “Wait!” and “I’m, err, sorry we argued..” Have we ever seen anything like that from him before? Never. Made my heart skip a beat, that did.

    I could go on and on about this episode!!

  • Ifrah

    An excellent review, just like any other. As for all the inquiry on RJ, I’m not sure as to exactly why Red John would kill off Partridge, because that would make Jane’s hunt easier, but I suppose tonight’s episode will tell us more. As for your theory on RJ being two men, I still believe that RJ works alone, but has a minion by his side during some killings. That is all, but thank you for the lovely review.

  • Chris

    I look forward to your reviews after each show. You hilight so many things that I miss. Makes me enjoy the show just that much more. Thank you!

  • Victor

    Excellent review! Been stalking this blog ever since the premier and it was well worth the wait, thank you for putting your time into this🙂

    Just something I thought of, what if Jane gathered the 6 suspects and Rosalind Harker into one room? I’m sure he could make something interesting happen there….

    I quite enjoyed Bertram’s scene with J&L, it was a nice way to suddenly have the character portray some really suspicious behavior, especially right after he was revealed to be on the list. I’m definitely looking forward to tonight’s episode to see how things carry on with Bertram.

  • Rose UK

    PS Your ideas about two RJs are pretty compelling. I had caught onto the “two Janes” thing from the focus on the portrait (more mirroring! And the large, airy, windowed house reminded me a bit of his Malibu residence). But I hadn’t picked up on the two-headed RJ idea. When Lisbon found Partridge, I just assumed that RJ had been hiding in the bathroom, then snuck out and hid himself behind the open door (against the wall). But you’re right that it looked exactly like a magic trick!

  • alutran

    So happy to have these reviews back! Great as always.

    Food for thought on the 2 RJs theory: it would fit with his catchphrase, “Tyger Tyger,” and with his preferred passage: “What immortal hand or eye could frame thy fearful symmetry” (emphasis on symmetry).

    A quick look at Wikipedia showed that some of the animals featured on the show (partridge, goats, cats) have notable instances of two faces. I was especially intrigued by the 2 headed eagle, which is a well known insignia and is related to Bertram’s office (though his name means raven. It might be a raven instead of an eagle in his office).

    And the two-faced god, Janus is the god of doors, choices, time and change. All of which are crucial aspects of the show and as you mentioned would also fit into the construction of RJ’s crime scenes (Jane’s family, Lisbon and Partridge, Rosalind and the Forensic Guy).

    Frankly, you could go everywhere and anywhere with these theories, but I still think it’s one of my favorite parts of the show. And sometimes I think it’s not in vain:

    Season finale – starts with Lisbon, Jane, Partridge and a dead body. Here we have 2 (1 and 1/2?) scenes with Jane, Partridge, Lisbon and a dead body (the beach scene and the ending). RJR’s and the last scene of the premiere both end with Lisbon and a dead body (in Red John’s Rules, both men exit the room and their shadows pass through the closed yellow curtain). It keeps entwining Lisbon’s precarious fate with Jane’s arrogance and continuous path towards revenge.

    AND (this is the last one, promise!), I loved that the widower and the dead wife were color coded in blue, while Jane and Lisbon both wore black today. Hopefully Jane learns his lesson and gets out of his last scuffle with RJ happy and not alone! Though I’m pretty sure that post-scuffle, this will continue to be a question for viewers and for Jane.

  • III Frogs

    @Rose UK. The knife is a linoleum knife. I believe Red John probably chose it for its resemblance to a tiger’s claw.

  • III Frogs

    Violet, thank you so much for your excellent and thorough review! I was so glad you pointed out the set up with Bertram for Lisbon being the responsible party, the boss and the head of the team. I’d like to point out that Van Pelt disobeyed a direct order from Lisbon to reveal the list and what her assignment was to NO ONE. The seriousness of Lisbon’s order was pre-emphasized when VP told her Rigsby was there and to call her back when she was absolutely alone.

    What did VP do? Disobeyed the order, probably within five minutes, because of some squishy reason that her boyfriend thought she was having an affair. What? And Rigsby indicates he fomented this ridiculous manipulation by saying yeah, she was acting weird. So of course he makes her think he thinks she’s having an affair, so as to make her talk? What? And then Rigsby tells Cho, knowing the level of secrecy that VP had already broken. As far as I’m concerned, VP’s job is on the line and Rigsby at least a reprimand. They totally disrespected Lisbon’s direct order and, by that, Lisbon herself. She cannot rely on them.

    I know some will say “team,” “family,” etc. But this was not a democratic vote or a family meeting any more than Jane is in charge of the case. This was Lisbon, as was her responsibility and duty, taking in all information from her team and then settling on her decision and giving orders according to that responsibility for the investigation of her case and her duty to protect all involved to the best of her ability.

    This is not high school. This is life and death. Lisbon tried to honor Jane’s demand that she tell no one as best she could by only telling Grace, as you mentioned correctly I think, for her White Hat skills. Lisbon was doing her job. Van Pelt broke faith for squishy boyfriend reasons. Totally unprofessional, in my opinion.

    I want to see some punishment. Some repercussions. I do. Sorry. But not sorry.

  • KM

    Excellent review, Violet! Thank you.

    I’ll add that we have twin Blake references in the final scene. Firstly, 666 was painted on the wall, and Blake has a painting titled “The Number of the Beast is 666′, part of the Great Red Dragon Paintings. Secondly, the ‘Tyger, Tyger’.

  • C Hill

    squeeee! more after i actually read the review and comments…lol!

  • zee

    Hello Reviewbrain,

    Glad to see you guys back. Excellent unravelings Violet!

    Noticed that the following morning, Jane couldn’t tell that Lisbon had told Van Pelt about the list the night before… Either Lisbon’s improving on her concealment or Jane overlooked it being ‘freaked out’ as Lisbon said he was.

    Regarding RoseUK wandering finger on the pigeons, I remembered in Season 5 finale, Lisbon was sharing her memory of her mother feeding the pigeons whenever a certain song was playing. If that was the intention, it has certainly sent more shivers that seeing Lisbon’s bloody smiley face.

  • C Hill

    i like bertram’s reference to being “on the boat” when the fish is landed🙂

    lots of interesting items here. such a bevy of clues in the last scene from the pigeons to the plastic binding Partridge’s hands to the shower curtain to the GPS data…

    thanks violet. i really liked the “two heads” interpretation — first rate work. however, i’m not sure this is the quickest Jane ever solved a case; the parallels are strong to 2×01 and Jane’s “wrecking ball” solution to the murder at the department store. very similar indeed i think.

  • Taissa

    First I was dying to watch the season premiere, then I was dying to read the review. Excellent review as always. Very interesting observetion on the gentle way RJ painted her face, when I first looked at it it reminded me of a pierrot. I wonder the significance of drawing on her face.
    Oh, just one thing! Brook Yardley was reported missing in 2011, 2 years ago not 2 months.

    @Rose UK I noticed the “nautic supplies” on the attic as well, but if you pay atention, behind Lisbon, there is some kind of bay with a ship, so maybe CBI was built on some old dock or something. And Bertram says something about wanting to be on the boat when “they catch that fish”, also he has a fisherman statuette on his office.

    I noticed a lot of green/gardening references in this episode too. There is the victim’s last name and the flowers, one of the suspects last name was Green, the bartender wore a green tank top, the widow’s home had a lot of green decor.
    Another thing I noticed was that Parttridge was already in 5570 West Huron when Grace bugs their phones and Bertram is the one closest to Partridge on both times they show their locations.

    Ah…I don’t know if this is a spoiler or something, but Bruno Heller said “There is a clue buried in that final sequence that will pay off big time in the finale of the Red John story. A very big clue. No one will get it from the clue as it is laid out in the episode, but it will pay off later.” The way he said it I belive it must be something tanglible, not some simbolism. I watched the ending several times and still don’t know what it is (as Heller said it would happen), but I think it has something to do with the pigeons (because I’ve already watched episode 2, and I’m already dying for the next review), also, the pigeons reminded me of a magician’s dove, and the way that their noise could “hide” someone else’s noises is kinda like a magician using a distraction to do a magick trick.

    So, one more thing before I end this huge comment. I read at The Mentalist Wikia that the trophy in Haffner’s office (season 4, ep. 2) looks very much like the Heisman Award. What if Jared Renfrew was trying to write Heisman and not He is Man? Of all shapes for a sports trophy, they chose that one? That is too much of a coincidence to me! I think I’m starting to join “Team Haffner”.

  • C Hill

    taissa, perhaps the wiki drew the haffner football reference from me on here a bit ago? not sure. there is a shooting trophy and a football trophy behind haffner in 4×02. i find it difficult to believe the crew went to that much trouble to set up misinformation on haffner 2 years in advance😉 red herring or no? remains to be seen. but it’s certainly not the heisman, just a football (us) trophy.

  • Carla Oliveira

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees! I’ll read it later!

  • reviewbrain

    It’s interesting that you mention that. I actually saw Van Pelts decision as proof of emotional growth on her part- hear me out please ^_^ Van Pelt has always come across (to me anyway) as favoring professionalism and the job over everything else (see how she didn’t decline LaRoche’s offer to give up her friends until after she was already safe from professional danger in season three) there were some other instances as well but I can’t remember them. But I remember saying in a previous review: I’ve seen professonal Grace. Now I want to see other sides of her.
    In fact one of the reasons I wasn’t ever 100% on the Rigspelt relationship is because I didn’t think she was warm enough for sensitive-needs constant assurance-abused as a kid- Rigsby. I do not doubt in the least that Rigsby *did* think she was having an affair. Not because he doubts her loyalty but because he’s the type that doubts his own self-worth (yes, even after his own growth). So I saw VP here as rising to the occasion and laying his fears to rest. Honestly, I was impressed with her. Yes, she could have done that without telling him but many couples do share everything even when they are not supposed to.
    Plus it was convenient plot wise to have all the team know😉

  • Auli

    Thank you Violet for your brilliant review and I just have to say that it’s awesome to talk about TM with you guys!

    This was a brilliant way to start a season and I was pretty much screaming NO in a dramatic way and just waited to see the next episode (which was also bloody brilliant, way to go Heller and co.!)

    @Violet: Your thoughts about two RJ’s is quite interesting. It would explain quite well his sometimes changing MO and how he seems to be so over the top. Talking about RJ can I just say how brilliantly where they presenting Bertram and Partridge! To me, Bertram and Partridge were normal but they managed to get this creepy and bit paranoid atmosphere in them with the music and how others reacted to them. I just love Lisbon’s “putting a front, don’t freak out” smile.

    @RoseUK,@alutran, @III Frogs: Love to read about this small details that you’ve noticed, didn’t notice them at all.

    @C Hill: I also got flashback from s2e1. I think it was quite well to show that maybe Jane wasn’t as cool as he liked Lisbon to think because in s2e1 he rushed solving the case in the shopping mall to get his hands on RJ and if I remember right, again SacPD got shot on the scene because of him. One could also see how the characters have developed from that episode to this one because the storylines were quite similar: Jane rushing a case that leads to cops getting hurt (check on both episodes), Lisbon gets shout on from Jane’s actions (check), RJ hanging behind the case of the week (check), Jane and Lisbon fight in a way that some other team member witness it and Lisbon taking off and being pissed (check) but here the similarities end. In s2e1 Jane didn’t run after Lisbon or tried to call her but he waited something to happen (Cho came up) and apoligized her on site by bringing her strawberries. None of the team members also urged Jane to make up with Lisbon (almost wrote make out, freudian slip :D). And finally, in s2e1 Jane does his usual antics to catch the killer but he has also the copside covered by having Rigsby and Cho on site with him and the case is succesfully closed. On the other hand, we have quite many cases where Jane’s antics go horrible wrong with RJ and now we also know the consequenses about using purely cop thing with RJ. So, maybe we could draw the conclution that they have to work together to catch RJ since he kills quite high profile people (Partridge was afterall a forensic guy).

    @Reviewbrain: I agree with you on some parts. I thought it was quite reckless from Van Pelt to tell Rigsby about the list because of his insecurity but I have to admit that I love, love, love the fact that team got to know the list already in the first episode. I think that the only way they can catch RJ asap is that they work as a team and that they mix Jane’s shenanigans with the team’s copness. Hell, even RJ doesn’t work alone!

    Final thoughts and then I finally shut up.

    Wow, the team has become close! Van Pelt and Rigsby do not even try to hide to their relationship from the team, Van Pelt giving an adice to Jane after the fight and omg Lisbon and Jane have become close! I mean, Jane didn´t do his usual after RJ thing by pulling away from people but he instead seem to got even closer to Lisbon.

    The ending scene was brilliantly done and I thought it was quite similar than the s5e21 (toungless guy) with the lighting, music, Lisbon going alone. After seeing that scene, I think RJ is someone who likes Lisbon (even though he painted her face with blood). First of all, he called her Teresa, not Lisbon, agent Lisbon, Teresa Lisbon and so on but Teresa. He had laid her on a mattress and like Violet said, he seemed to be quite tender while he was painting her face. And well done Heller and co. for showing him painting Lisbon’s espcially lips with blood to add the creepines level! It was like death kiss.

    Last thing, brilliant music during this episode!

  • rita

    What a wonderful day, watched ep 2 this morning, opened up my emails and found notification of your post on ep 1……happy!!

    Another great review Violet, you find such interesting things to point out to us. When we first saw the room in the first crime scene, I noticed the portrait and wondered why they had a picture of Jane…….then realised it was the Husband….but didn’t catch the ‘two-heads’ bit, it puzzled me at the time.

    The acting throughout was just perfect, and at the end when RJ is speaking to Jane on Lisbon’s phone, the expressions on simon Baker’s face…..he really doesn;t need to say any words, it was all there, the fear and worry and horror of what was happening (and in his mind it was much worse!!) I felt that RJ was taunting him that he could cause him (Jane) horrific pain at any time of his choosing, and that Jane would be unable to stop him.

    Looking forward to reading every one elses take on the episode….oh it HAS been a long summer!!

  • rita

    Oh and the knife….it was exactly the same as the one that Jane bought when he was setting the scene for the guy whose daughter was killed by Panzer (sorry can’t remeber the name) who committed suicide, to be taken for Red John, when he wanted Darcy to get off the case….Don’t know if it is significant.

  • Rose UK

    Wow, people! This is why I love this blog – so many interesting details and ideas coming through that I don’t pick up on.😀 Thanks for answering my questions, and a belated thanks to Violet for the review. Sorry, I was so excited I forgot my manners.😉

    @ Alutran: Fascinating! I love all that symbolism stuff too.🙂 The “two-headed” or “two-faced” idea makes an awful lot of sense when you think about it, because it relates precisely to the duality/mirroring theme that we always talk about. I’d never followed it through enough to land on the Janus idea, though (I didn’t know he was the god of doors – another brilliant link to the “doors, locks and keys” theme!). Or indeed the fact that those motif animals are associated with two faces – I’d only ever considered the fact that a *coin* has two faces… Which is another motif in the sense of magic/conjuring, as well as symbolising the idea of choice and/or chance. All very relevant to Jane…

    @ Rita and Frogs: Very interesting knife info there… (Rita – you must have eagle-eyes!) A linoleum knife, eh? I wonder if it can be linked to any previous information obtained about RJ: Elliston Farm? The Tagliaferro business? I dunno, just thinking out loud…😉

    @ Frogs and RB: Got to say, I didn’t mind Grace’s actions. At least, not once I realised that it was more of a plot device than anything (in my opinion).😉 I agree that Lisbon could have picked her for her mad computer skillz, and I was pleased to think that it could also have been a sign of how far their relationship has come, but initially I was stunned that Lisbon didn’t call Cho. He is incredibly tight-lipped, not to mention her second-in-command.😉 But… you know… I kinda liked that the team couldn’t keep their traps shut. Unprofessional, maybe, but I think the RJ case goes beyond professional borders somehow.😉 (Sorry, Frogs!)
    Leading on from this, I also liked Jane’s reaction to finding out they all knew. It was a bit like a dad who just can’t be angry with his kids because he knows they had the best intentions at heart. He was a bit exasperated, sure, but the sheer force and weight of their loyalty to one another (also to Lisbon and to him) seemed to overpower him, almost. He can try to keep them at arm’s length, but it’s like trying to “hold back the tide with a broom”…

    @ Zee: Ohmygoodness, great pigeon/Lisbon connection – that’s really spooky. Also @ Taissa and Violet – love the ideas about the doves/magician!

    @ C Hill: Do you think that Bertram’s comment about being “on the boat” could signify that he will be on the team’s whaling ship when it comes to catching RJ, then? Or was it just something to offset all the unsubtle hints alluding to a possible RJ allegiance? @ Taissa: I think Bertram’s been established as a fisherman (or have I got that wrong?) There was a fish mug on his desk once and he used fishing terminology in the poker game (something about “gutting”). Minnelli is most definitely an established fisherman.😉

    @ KM: Ooooo! Love it! Another literary clue I missed.😉

    And finally @ Alutran and Taissa: again, missed all the stuff about colours… Very interesting, especially in light of the classic “red” motif and the fact that green and red are so-called complementary colours.

    Sorry (ish) for the mammoth post!

  • Cece

    @IIIFrogs Everything you said about Van Pelt and Rigsby x1000.

    @reviewbrain Maybe choosing to blab and reassure Rigsby did represent emotional growth on Grace’s part (Don’t think I agree, but I see your point), but it definitely shows why the rule about two people in the same unit not being allowed to date exists. Their emotional growth as regards their relationship needs to happen outside of work from now on. I’m sorry, but one of them needs to transfer. Having an insecure boyfriend is not a valid reason for violating a direct order from a commanding officer. Being hurt because you think the woman you love is seeing someone else does not make it remotely okay to chew her out and make snide remarks about her personal life while on the job and in front of a witness you’re interviewing (Rigsby- Red Velvet Cupcakes). These two can’t hack it working together. Plus, their behavior is so disrespectful to Lisbon. Here she is, sticking her neck out for them AGAIN by turning a blind eye to their against-the-regulations office romance and this is how they repay her? That’s the highest level of professionalism and discretion they offer her in return? Ugh.

    @rita the knife is significant because it’s the particular style knife that Red John always uses on his victims. According to @IIIFrogs, it’s a knife especially for cutting linoleum.

  • III Frogs

    Thanks for your reply, reviewbrain. I understand your position. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    To me, there was nothing professional about Van Pelt disobeying a direct order, especially in the circumstances the order was given. The whole plot line was sordid to me. It’s not like they work at a restaurant or the local big box store. It’s law enforcement and it’s life and death.

    I think you may have hit on this incident’s use as a plot device but what it has done for me is I will be very happy to separate from them when they leave the show. Perhaps the device has secondary gain in its potential to stabilize ratings as that change occurs?

    Sorry if I’m a lone wolf here. Just how I see it. I would never want to work with this pair, knowing what they’ve done. And they will go to their next job none the wiser.

    Thanks again for your kind reply.

  • III Frogs

    @rita, I think the Panzer case is when Jane figured out that RJ uses a linoleum knife. Looks like a tiger claw, I think.

  • suzjazz

    Excellent review with a great eye for detail!
    I’m going to watch the episode again, this time more carefully.
    I have to say a few things:
    1) The suspense is terrible at the end–the episode was brilliantly crafted to leave us in doubt.
    2) But! I have a serious problem with Lisbon going anywhere dangerous alone. She always takes at least one team member. She must have known that the police were not going to hurry up in answering her distress call–they were angry with her for not controlling Jane and held her responsible for the death of the suspect. She didn’t even tell the team where she was going. This is not in character with an experienced police officer, and it seems to me that Heller needed a plot device to get Lisbon at the house alone. The only explanation that makes sense is that she was so shaken by her fight with Jane that she wasn’t thinking straight. (Great fight scene–they had it coming!)
    3) I, too, was astonished that Grace would disobey a direct order from her boss. Lisbon had no reason to distrust Grace, but if she really wanted the secret to stay kept, she should have told Cho. I am feeling slightly uneasy about Grace now. She could be an inside Red John plant, as awful as that sounds. (I know, I know, she killed O’Laughlin, but maybe that was part of RJ’s long game.) Though more likely it was just Grace being thoughtless–another out of character portrayal.
    4) And this is simply fluff, but I’ll say it anyway: Can I just say that Simon Baker is hotter than ever this season? 🙂

  • suzjazz

    My comments are awaiting moderation, so in the meantime, I’ll add something I forgot: because of events in last night’s episode, I now think Haffner is RJ. (I liked Partridge before) I also think there is more going on than just serial killing–Heller himself has said that something is rotten in California law enforcement. OK, I’d better shut up now before I reveal any spoilers! 🙂

  • Carla Oliveira

    @Ifrah I think you’re right when you say: “RJ works alone, but has a minion by his side during some killings.”

  • rita

    111 frogs, thanks, I hadn’t realised what type of knife it was, just remembered seeing one like it in Jane’s hand in the other episode

  • suzjazz

    Frogs, good call on the knife! Tiger’s claw.
    I’m rewatching last night’s ep and I suddenly realized there is a pigeon motif running through the series (I think Rose mentioned it) with pigeons in both 6:01 and 6:02, and a reference by Lisbon last season to her mother feeding pigeons. Not sure of the significance, but it’s there.

  • III Frogs

    Not only that, @suzjazz! It’s actually been three episodes in a row with the pigeons! In Red John’s Rules, Lisbon talks about a memory of her mom feeding pigeons while MacArthur Park is playing. It’s driving me nuts, these wheels within wheels, to paraphrase Lisbon! What the deal with the pigeons???🙂

  • Rose UK

    *** SPOILER ***

    Both VP and Rigsby are leaving? Didn’t know that.😦 Won’t be the same!

    *** END SPOILER ***

    Other comments stuck in moderation…😉

  • Rose UK

    *** RE: SPOILER ***

    Actually, better not tell me/answer that question!!! I don’t want to generate a spoiler discussion both for myself and others😉

    Sorry!

  • Taissa

    Thanks for your quick reply, C Hill. I don’t know where they drew the reference from, I was actually there to see the (very insteristing) list of episdoes for this season and decided to click on the suspects info to see if there was something interesting.
    I looked again the scene where Haffner’s trophy apears and it looks like a generic trophy (doesn’t even have a name tag), but they could have chosen one with a football shape, it would make me less paranoid! haha😀. The only notable difference between his trophy and Heisman’s is that the Heisman player has one of his hands in a “blocking” position (I know 0 about american football!). Maybe Heller had the 7 suspects list in his mind for quite some time. But I see that this “evidence” is very thin. Yet, after last night’s episode he gave me the creeps! I don’t know if I should discuss episode 2 here, but I thought it was really weird when he said “they let everyone in the hospital these days”, then that “one of these days we’ll have a talk” and the whistle. But, it could be Evil Heller toying with us…again.

    Oh, I left something out of my huge comment last night. Can’t remember very well what it was, but @rita talked about thinking the painting portraited Jane. That’s what I thought when I first saw it, then I realised it was the rusband, and when Jane made the ” 2 heads” comment I thought it was a joke with the resemblance. But @Violet and @RoseUK’s take on that are are very interesting and most likely what the writers meant. Also, about the mirroring, the “doors” trick at the end could have been done using mirrors, like when Jane used this trick to hide a character under a table, in one of the past seasons, making it look like there was nothing there.

    And I’m very curious about the pigeons. Are there already any theories about them?

    The have week just started, real life is knocking on my door and I’m here worried about a TV show. Damn you Heller!

  • Rose UK

    @ Taissa, Suz & Frogs re: pigeons… I haven’t seen episode 2 yet, but I’m thinking that this will be another very interesting thread!

    Off the top of my head, I associate pigeons/doves with:

    – messenger/homing pigeons
    – dove of peace (e.g. famous Picasso painting)
    – love
    – religion (dove gets sent to find land from Noah’s Ark?)
    – colour white for doves
    – feeding pigeons seeds (e.g. in Trafalgar Square)
    – magic tricks (as you have said above)

    I don’t know if anyone can make anything from that?!

    @ Taissa: love your ideas about the doors/mirror trick.

  • suzjazz

    Excellent review, violet! with a lot of sharp observations that make me want to watch it again. I agree with III Frogs about Grace being unprofessional and deserving a suspension if not a firing–Lisbon really should have told Cho if she was going to tell anyone on the team. Though I would have listened to Jane and not told anyone. Yet, it was a tough call for her because as an officer of the law she has to do SOMETHING. She can’t sit back and wait for Red John to make the next move.

    Before the premiere I thought that Partridge was Red John even though he wasn’t charismatic enough, and now I’m moving to my next suspect: Haffner. He’s creepy. Bertram is creepy too but I think he is involved in something that goes deeper than Red John and involves California law enforcement.

  • C Hill

    on pigeons: the simplest explanation is that a pigeon is a mark, like a mark in a gag or a scam. not sure how that may fit — it’s likely another form of symbolism is a better fit. but maybe this is a visual clue that RJ isn’t psychic and the jane and lisbon are marks?

    taissa: if you stop at 8:12 in 4×02, you see two trophies behind haffner.to the left (his left) of his head. the first is a player running a football. the hand not carrying the ball is not in the “heisman pose”, just a player running. the trophy to the right of that is a shooting (pistol) trophy. starting all of this is a newspaper article which i believe writes up his exploits in using surveillance successfully in the FBI.

    and speaking of mirroring, what are the odds we get a “sorry, teresa, patrick can’t come to the phone right now” later on? hmmm.

    discussion finally!

  • estatica

    First of all, thank you Violet for writing such a fantastic review. You may not realize how important it is for me to read it after we watch an episode, but it’s the truth. I would miss tons of important details if it weren’t for your and reviewbrain’s reviews. Also, the comment section is pretty amazing. So, thanks!

    Although the most important things have already been said, I’d also like to share a few minor things that stuck with me in this episode and that weren’t mentioned yet.

    The writers shared a snippet of the script over the summer on twitter, in which Jane shakes his head and thinks “Hell is other people.”

    Now, this is all conjecture, but I’m guessing this happens when the team is outside the diner and Jane just found out they all know about the list. He doesn’t seem mad at the team, merely exasperated and worried that this will put them all in danger. He even pats Van Pelt as he heads inside. It seems like they have all reached a point where secrecy is impossible. They mean too much to each other and know each other too well to be able to act professional and simply obey orders. Like LaRoche had stated in 5×21, “Allegiances, loyalties. Yes. Of course. What…what was I thinking?”, Jane too must be going through the same.

    To reinforce this idea that sometimes they can’t live with each other and can’t live without each other, we also hear the widow of the victim say: “you can love someone very much and not being able to live with them.”.

    Could this foreshadow that Jane and Lisbon will fall apart because of their differences, despite loving each other? I really hope not.

    Regarding the last scene, I’d like to point out that I loved that CBI Ron appeared out of nowhere holding a phone. I know it’s probably nothing, but I love to suspect his motives. Maybe he was just waiting for Jane to drop by so he could tip off RJ so he would call him at that time. I don’t know… I can’t wait to see the upcoming episodes and read your comments🙂

  • NLion BlueD (@NLionBD)

    Interesting stuff, Violet and all commenters. This is one of the reviews and discussions I always like to read before a second viewing of an episode.

    Just a note about the knife. In the flashback of RJ killing Janet and Carter Peake in His Red Right Hand (2×8), you can see he is using a linoleum knife. Jane would have known all along from the autopsies that RJ was using one. That is why Jane bought one when he was faking Tom Mayer’s killing of Panzer in RJ -style (4×11). The curved blade is designed to cut easily while being pulled through a layer of linoleum or wallboard, rather than pressing and sawing as with a steak or bread knife,…ideal for dragging across a throat or slitting an abdomen open. (TM is subtly really gory at times, even though it lacks the very in-your-face killings, bodies and autopsies of some other procedurals!)

  • suzjazz

    Can I just say that Simon Baker is hotter than ever this season?🙂

  • C Hill

    “Can I just say that Simon Baker is hotter than ever this season?”

    I’m sure you can, though give III Frogs a bit and she’ll break it down by body part!🙂

  • phoenixx

    So missed these reviews😀 Thanks so much and I agree mostly except for the Rigspelt stuff.
    There I agree with IIIFrogs and susjazz, for me this and what happens in the next episode made me think that they managed to revert them back to being naive kids.
    And yes Grace disobeyed a direct order for which she should get reprimanded at least (Rigsby too) there was no excuse for that. In fact if she sees her relationship as more important now than one fo them should just leave the team. period. Otherwise they’re a prime example for why the non-fraternization rule exists in the first place.

    *I’m really sorry but I had to remove part of comment as it not only contained major spoilers but was discussing an event which will happen in an episode yet to be aired. Please save discussion regarding future episodes for their respective reviews-thanks/ RB*

    About how RJ got behind Lisbon, I thought he stepped into the shadow between wall and door, she was distracted and he obviously hid in the bathroom (wonder what would’ve happened if she had opened it first xD)
    If there was a second one where did he hide? When the door was closed there was no one and there was only the window, he can’t have come through there, so I stick with the ‘there was only one person’ theory.

  • Carla Oliveira

    Yes, Suz, you can. You watched 6×02. I completely agree.

  • Auli

    Hi y’all!

    I think my earlier message disappeared somewhere in the bit heaven since I didn´t even get a notification that it is under moderation. Well, let´s try again then!

    I absolutely loved this episode; brilliant way to start a season and was really pleased that the second episode was also pure gold. Lovely discussion going on here and I find it quite interesting the thought that there might be two RJ’s. It could be possible and it would explain some things like the changing MO’s of RJ killings.

    I have seen quite many arguments about Van Pelt’s actions and understand the reasons for such opinions quite well. I didn’t pay that much attention to it because I was so happy about the outcome, which is that the team found out about the list asap because I really want to see them work as a team and not just Lisbon/jane working alone. We have seen that Jane’s shenanigans doesn´t work with RJ because he (or they)
    seems to be able to anticipate them and we also saw in this episode that pure cop antics doesn´t work on him either. So perhaps, the solution is working as a tight team mixing those two methods together. Hell, even RJ doesn´t work alone!

    My favourite part in this episode was the ending. It was absolutely beautifully done, the lighting was great and the music was absolutely brilliant. It sort of reminded me about the toungless guy episode in the last season when Lisbon went to find about what had happened to him. One thing that I really loved was the a minor detail that I noticed only after watching it second time. After Partridge had said tiger, tiger, Lisbon stood up and looked at the door that was just seconds ago closed (here I started to scream btw that, holy f*** the door was closed, Lisbon, run, get a way from there, RUN, No, ooooh f***.) I was bit lost that how the hell didn’t she notice that it opened but after watching it second time, one can hear a slight creaking sounds that the door makes but I and Lisbon failed to nice them because we were so startled with Partiridge. Well, played makers of that scene, well played!

    I found it quite interesting how gently RJ was painting Lisbon’s face and how he has placed her on a mattress. Has RJ a thing for Lisbon? And wasn´t it creepy that they decided to show us the scene where he paints her lips with blood. It seemed to be like a grotesque kiss.

    Small other things that I liked:
    – Lisbon and Jane fight scene and Van pelt’s reaction to it. It really felt like watching parents fighting.
    – Jane running after Lisbon and apoligizing her (wow, those two have become close!)
    – Showing that Jane and Lisbon sleep opposite sides in the bed and the camera angle that they used makde me think a short time that they are sharing the bed (I wish).
    – Rigsby’s reasoning why he told the list to Cho and Cho´s reaction to it “I’m not gonna tell anyone”. Brilliant!

    – SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT (don´t read if you haven´t seen episode 2)
    I loved, loved, loved the mirroring image of RJ painting gently Lisbon’s face with Jane washing it off.

    SPOILER ALERT FINISHED.

  • Auli

    Word Press, y do u hate me?!

    Sorry if my message pops up thee times, for sopme reason it doesn´t want to get published at all.

  • Auli

    Ok, let´s try again.

    I absolutely loved this episode; brilliant way to start a season and was really pleased that the second episode was also pure gold. Lovely discussion going on here and I find it quite interesting the thought that there might be two RJ’s. It could be possible and it would explain some things like the changing MO’s of RJ killings.

    I have seen quite many arguments about Van Pelt’s actions and understand the reasons for such opinions quite well. I didn’t pay that much attention to it because I was so happy about the outcome, which is that the team found out about the list asap because I really want to see them work as a team and not just Lisbon/jane working alone. We have seen that Jane’s shenanigans doesn´t work with RJ because he (or they)
    seems to be able to anticipate them and we also saw in this episode that pure cop antics doesn´t work on him either. So perhaps, the solution is working as a tight team mixing those two methods together. Hell, even RJ doesn´t work alone!

    My favourite part in this episode was the ending. It was absolutely beautifully done, the lighting was great and the music was absolutely brilliant. It sort of reminded me about the toungless guy episode in the last season when Lisbon went to find about what had happened to him. One thing that I really loved was the a minor detail that I noticed only after watching it second time. After Partridge had said tiger, tiger, Lisbon stood up and looked at the door that was just seconds ago closed (here I started to scream btw that, holy f*** the door was closed, Lisbon, run, get a way from there, RUN, No, ooooh f***.) I was bit lost that how the hell didn’t she notice that it opened but after watching it second time, one can hear a slight creaking sounds that the door makes but I and Lisbon failed to nice them because we were so startled with Partiridge. Well, played makers of that scene, well played!

    I found it quite interesting how gently RJ was painting Lisbon’s face and how he has placed her on a mattress. Has RJ a thing for Lisbon? And wasn´t it creepy that they decided to show us the scene where he paints her lips with blood. It seemed to be like a grotesque kiss.

    Small other things that I liked:
    – Lisbon and Jane fight scene and Van pelt’s reaction to it. It really felt like watching parents fighting.
    – Jane running after Lisbon and apoligizing her (wow, those two have become close!)
    – Showing that Jane and Lisbon sleep opposite sides in the bed and the camera angle that they used makde me think a short time that they are sharing the bed (I wish).
    – Rigsby’s reasoning why he told the list to Cho and Cho´s reaction to it “I’m not gonna tell anyone”. Brilliant!

    – SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT (don´t read if you haven´t seen episode 2)
    I loved, loved, loved the mirroring image of RJ painting gently Lisbon’s face with Jane washing it off.

    SPOILER ALERT FINISHED.

  • Auli

    Ha, is there some sort of limit about the length of comments? Short one came through but my original one just disappears.

  • Auli

    Oh well, let’s keep it short then.

    @ Frogs, Reviewbrain, probably some others
    I have seen quite many arguments about Van Pelt’s actions and understand the reasons for such opinions quite well. I didn’t pay that much attention to it because I was so happy about the outcome, which is that the team found out about the list asap because I really want to see them work as a team and not just Lisbon/jane working alone. We have seen that Jane’s shenanigans doesn´t work with RJ because he (or they)
    seems to be able to anticipate them and we also saw in this episode that pure cop antics doesn´t work on him either. So perhaps, the solution is working as a tight team mixing those two methods together. Hell, even RJ doesn´t work alone!

  • Auli

    I found it quite interesting how gently RJ was painting Lisbon’s face and how he has placed her on a mattress. Has RJ a thing for Lisbon? And wasn´t it creepy that they decided to show us the scene where he paints her lips with blood. It seemed to be like a grotesque kiss.

    Small other things that I liked:
    – Lisbon and Jane fight scene and Van pelt’s reaction to it. It really felt like watching parents fighting.
    – Jane running after Lisbon and apoligizing her (wow, those two have become close!)
    – Showing that Jane and Lisbon sleep opposite sides in the bed and the camera angle that they used makde me think a short time that they are sharing the bed (I wish).
    – Rigsby’s reasoning why he told the list to Cho and Cho´s reaction to it “I’m not gonna tell anyone”. Brilliant!

    – SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT (don´t read if you haven´t seen episode 2)
    I loved, loved, loved the mirroring image of RJ painting gently Lisbon’s face with Jane washing it off.

    SPOILER ALERT FINISHED.

  • Rose UK

    @ Auli: I wonder about post length, too. I had a loooong comment (fine, I admit it, it was a monster) that disappeared, which I am loth to repeat for fear of boring everyone…😉

    And agree with you re: teamwork. Deffo. I want the team involved, dammit!

    @ Suz: Yes.

  • Auli

    @ Rose. Ok, good to know that others have the same problem. Sucks to remember (back up is overrated) all the points that I’d like to make!

    I found the scene where RJ was painting Lisbon’s face quite interesting and scary. He had laid Lisbon on a mattress, you know, the guy who has butchered women and a child and raped even them and chained Lorelei’s sister on the floor but still put Lisbon on a mattress. What the hell is going on?! And how gently he painted her lips; it seemed like a grotesque kiss. It was quite disturbing. Also, he called Lisbon by her first name, not Lisbon, agent Lisbon, Teresa Lisbon, just Teresa.

    SPOILER ALERT (don´t read if you haven´t seen the second episode)
    Some mirroring aspects: it was wonderful and totally disturbing to see that Jane washed Lisbon´s face from blood as gently as RJ was painting them. Has RJ a thing for Lisbon?!

  • Carla Oliveira

    Auli, sometimes I think RJ does has something for Lisbon as well, whoever he is. At least 4 suspects seems have have some feeling for her, even only admiration. I’ll stop for now because of the spoilerphobics. We’ll talk more later.

  • III Frogs

    Thank you, C Hill.🙂 I think I do have that mapped out pretty well.😀

  • A.Anggraeni (@faintestwhisper)

    Hi, first time commenter here🙂. Just wondering whether all the references made actually refer to the ‘Beast of the Sea’ in Revelation 10?
    “And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. (13:1-3)”

    The reference of the ‘fatal wound’ here may allude to the fact that Patridge was killed and fatally wounded?

    And another one:

    The Dragon is the animating power behind the Beast; the Beast is the Dragon’s alter ego (Latin, “other I”); the Dragon acts through the Beast to make war against the saints and gather the kings of the earth together in battle against the Lamb. (Rev. 16:13, 14)

    Lamb as in the Christ, also referenced in Tyger, Tyger poem?

    Let me know what you think😀.

  • phoenixx

    My comment got stuck again apparently:/

    Short version:
    – Love the review and missed it terribly! Thanx Violet!😀

    – I agree with Frogs and Suz about Rigspelt.

    @Auli: Think so too about RJ.

  • III Frogs

    @Auli I think working as a tight team would be great. But this team isn’t functioning as such. And just deciding to be a team now won’t work. Or at least, it won’t be very believable to me while this egregious act of insubordination is out there, unchallenged. Maybe the show will just ignore it and move on from it, viewing it as an unimportant plot device and I will forget about it, too. But I doubt it. What I actually see is Jane and Lisbon being the only people they can rely on as the hunt for Red John progresses. They are somehow being isolated to each other, and I believe it will play into the hunt for Red John in a big way, and probably the aftermath when everybody, including the agency, is trying to rebalance without the RJ case.

    Not that I have a crystal ball or anything. It’s just a very uneasy feeling based on things I think I’m seeing in the show.

  • bloomingviolet2013

    First of all, thanks to everyone for your very kind comments!🙂 I’ll try replying to each one individually, so bear with me if it takes some time, lol…

    @Rose wrote: “The name of the motel was “borrego” – which in Spanish can mean either “lamb/sheep” or “lie” or “tall story/hoax” (particularly in Central America, I gather). The idea, perhaps, of a sacrificial lamb, or possibly even referring to Blake’s poem The Lamb (in opposition to The Tiger). Clever! Plus the bar in Mexicali was called The Wild Cat… “

    … And “Being English myself, the name “Yardley” also struck me because it’s the name of an old, well-established London soap/fragrance manufacturer. It might be a stretch, but it’s famous for lavender so I thought it might have been chosen by Bruno for the victim’s rather floral/funereal setting. Maybe!!! (I know roses and lilies were the main thing in this ep).”

    I’m glad you liked the review!🙂 Very interesting point about the motel name! And the “Yardley” reference is intriguing too: since it’s the name of a soap associated with lavender, it *might* be a cryptic reference to Angela’s death (“She smelled like coal tar soap and lavender”), maybe foreshadowing Lisbon being in danger (painting her face/ lips with blood in a way reminiscent of Angela’s toenails). I may be reading too much into it, but it’s nonetheless intriguing, thanks for the detail!😀

    @Ifrah wrote: “As for your theory on RJ being two men, I still believe that RJ works alone, but has a minion by his side during some killings.”

    It’s definitely a possibility. Can’t wait to get to the solution of this mystery, lol… thanks for your comment!🙂

    @ Chris: Wow! Thank you very much. I’m very flattered…🙂

    @ Victor: “Just something I thought of, what if Jane gathered the 6 suspects and Rosalind Harker into one room? I’m sure he could make something interesting happen there….”

    Definitely interesting. That is *if* Rosalind decides to compromise her beloved Roy… We didn’t see her after the morgue attendant’s murder and even then she seemed more saddened by her lover’s departure than fazed by the fact that there was a corpse in her closet. (I’m still wondering if she really didn’t realize what Roy had done, if she was in a trance or she was an accomplice. Creepy…)

    @Alutran: Janus is also the god of beginnings and endings. Not sure that particular character is really related to the show, though it certainly feels like the numerous references to duality and parallelisms through the episodes are meaningful: for me, it’s symbolic of Jane’s/ RJ’s personalities of course (the “fearful symmetry”, two faces of the same coin and so on) but also of the decisive influence each has on the other. RJ’s interference in Jane’s life ended a happy period and was meant by the killer to “open his eyes” according to Rebecca. And I hope for reciprocity from Jane: his own hand in RJ’s world will end the reign of darkened enlightenment the killer created and will open everyone’s eyes to his true colors… (Really great comment, thanks for sharing!🙂 )

  • bloomingviolet2013

    @ III Frogs: about Grace, I agree to you to some extend. She disobeyed and it was unprofessional from her. Yet I can’t help but think that given the circumstances and the danger involved with the RJ case, that information Lisbon provided her with may have been too much to handle on her own. I mean her excuse for telling Wayne was flimsy at best (and his own for keeping Cho in the loop was even worse).
    I also agree with Reviewbrain that it shows that she has matured: she took a decision, like Lisbon did in telling her, even though each of them was aware there might be consequences. She shared what she knew with someone she trusted. Also, I guess it’s kinda the nature of the beast when you encourage your men to work with someone like Jane: Lisbon has known for years that her subordinates obeyed Jane’s directives on cases instead of hers. Asking them complete obedience is certainly too much to expect when your team is used to working with Jane and makes a habit of not telling you of their involvement in his schemes. I mea you just can’t expect people to play by the rules when the best asset of the team is a master cheater…
    Besides, they’ve always worked as a team during the worst moments of their investigation on RJ (‘Strawberry and Cream’/ ‘The Crimson Hat’): she can’t hardly expect Grace to break that unspoken rule and work her part alone without asking for back-up/ moral support… Even more when it was Lisbon’s intention in the first place and she was only trying to keep things at least a bit under wraps and placate Jane while asking for help. There is no doubt for me that there’s just no way she could have monitored/ secured alone every spot the GSP would have indicated her.

    @ KM : thank you so much for the 666 reference! I completely forgot about it!😛

    @ Zee wrote: “Noticed that the following morning, Jane couldn’t tell that Lisbon had told Van Pelt about the list the night before… Either Lisbon’s improving on her concealment or Jane overlooked it being ‘freaked out’ as Lisbon said he was.”

    Indeed. He was freaked out, she was right. And he may have also assumed she was a bit tense since she was freaking out a bit too…😉 I mean, she actually considered RJ being a psychic, even when Jane has proven to her countless times that he himself could fake a psychic gift even if he was just really observant and clever.

  • Rose UK

    @ Estatica: “It seems like they have all reached a point where secrecy is impossible. They mean too much to each other and know each other too well to be able to act professional and simply obey orders. Like LaRoche stated in 5×21, “Allegiances, loyalties. Yes. Of course. What was I thinking?” ” Yes, my thoughts exactly.🙂 Have missed your comments, welcome back!

    @ Violet: Nice link with the soap, cryptic or otherwise! I knew there was something else niggling me about it, but I couldn’t think what.

    @ Auli: I’ll have to listen out for the creaking door.😉 It’s good fun looking for subtle clues second time around. A similar trick I noticed (on second viewing) was that the baseball player only reacts more noticeably when Jane mentions “garden” (the reveal later being that he hid incriminating evidence there). So we see how Jane leads him on… Sneaky! Also when Jane comes out of the house at gunpoint and it all goes wrong, he casts a look over to where I assumed Lisbon to be, as if trying to evaluate her reaction. Coming off the back of the unsettling season 5 finale, I thought it was telling that he was worried about what she was thinking. (It seemed to me, anyhow).

    Also love the ‘which side of the bed’ detail, lol.

  • Rose UK

    @ C Hill: Maybe the pigeons are some kind of visual association for us viewers, in the same way that we play “word association”. Although I’m not sure quite what!

    @ Alutran & Violet: I quite like the Janus idea. Beginnings and ends, but also looking both to the past and the future – quite true in Jane’s case now that he’s getting so close to his goal.

    @ A.Anggraeni: Ooh, I like that as well!

    Re: Grace debate. I like her! Especially ever since she was the first to declare her willingness to break the rules to help Lisbon (forget episode). And when she says “We wanna work for you” – she’s really the only one ever to speak openly when things get serious. Interesting that otherwise she was rather closed-up, as RB pointed out.

    (An attempt to break down post into smaller segments in order to get through moderation: fail!)

  • Auli

    Uppasii, sorry for spamming! Was a bit too unpatient.🙂

    @Frogs: Yes, I see the isolation also but not from the team but other law enforcement agencies including CBI itself. It has been quite canon during the whole show that FBI and CBi aren´t the super bestest friends but the gap between them became really large after the whole Darcy shooting Wainwright thing. I thought it was quite sad that Lisbon was let down by the SacPD especially since she has put all her trust in law enforcement. So, já, wouldn´t be surprised if Lisbon would flip the finger to all of them and have a long holiday somewhere by the ocean after RJ.

  • bloomingviolet2013

    @ A.Anggraeni: welcome to the blog and thanks for the very enlightening quotes and references! Indeed, there is no doubt that that evil Beast is the one referenced in the show, although part of it is probably somewhat tempered by Blake’s vision (hence the “tyger” instead of a leopard, maybe because leopard spots don’t allow for “symmetry”). Two very interesting tidbits are

    1) the fact that the Beast is coming from the sea, since the ocean is a very important theme here (cf. Lorelei coming out of the sea/ the fish-fisherman references and so on). That aquatic monster has been a primordial influence of the conception of Moby Dick, since the whale is often referred as a Leviathan and many Biblical influences are scattered through the novel.

    2) Also, it’s interesting that you point out that the Dragon is “the animating power behind the Beast” because if they are two RJ (that I’m not sure of at all, obviously, it’s just a theory), there’s a possibility that one would prefer to gets his hands dirty in a more animalistic way (like a beast) while the other would be more like an influential leader -ok, I admit I’m just trying to bring Stiles back into the main suspects, such grand creepiness would be a waste if he wasn’t involved somehow, lol…

    Moreover, the text following your quote is pretty intriguing too: “and they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?” (Rev. 13-4). Visualize and RJ followers, anyone?😉

    Regarding the very interesting emerging “pigeons” theme, there are some points that seem to be already discernible.

    1) As Zee and Rose have pointed out, those birds have been connected to Lisbon so far. It was first referenced when Jane asked her to tell a happy childhood memory and she associated feeding pigeons with spending time with her mother. Here, the animal appear again when she’s entered the tiger’s den: by targeting her, RJ is making good of her promise to threaten Jane’s more recent happy memories…
    Besides, as Rose remarked, doves have a religious meaning: they mean peace, a ray of hope and forgiveness sent by God. It fits Saint Teresa’s role by Jane’s side, as well as it counterbalances RJ’s evil persona, the seven headed “beast coming out of the sea”. It gives hope for the upcoming demise of RJ then.

    2) Rose again pointed out that they’re messengers: in a symbolic manner, there was God’s dove at the end of the deluge with an olive branch (again hope after dark times). But RJ is also sending a message to Jane by targeting Lisbon and those normal looking pigeons in the empty house may refer to the messenger role those birds have had for a long time. Indeed RJ is trying very hard to communicate with Jane here: with the DVD, the phone and drawing on Lisbon’s face…

    3) Pigeons are harmless creatures. As C Hill noticed, it may be a way to indicate that both Lisbon and Jane are “marks” in RJ’s magic trick/long con (in more ways than one since now RJ has “put his mark” on Lisbon with his smiley).

    4) Pigeons are hunted: like partridges, they’re birds that are killed both by hunters and by birds of prey. Lisbon was touched while Brett’s body was lying nearby and she was painted with his blood: that means that there’s a threat hanging over her feathered head (and Jane’s). Moreover, the hunting field has changed (from sea-themed to more clearly bird-themed), symbolizing the changes in RJ’s handling of Jane’s interference… And huh, I guess I’ll leave further analysis on birds of prey and other kinds of birds for the next episode…😉

    I’m looking forward to more references in the upcoming episodes to narrow a bit the list of possibilities…

  • Rose UK

    I can’t stress enough how much I enjoy your extrapolations, Violet.🙂 Diggin into hidden meanings and symbolism is by far my favourite part of literature/TM!

    The only thing I have to add for now is that Lisbon says something like: “We’ll watch them [the 7 suspects] like a *hawk*”…😉

  • III Frogs

    @Auli The friction between outside agencies is commonplace, I would think and adds to the problem in normal activity. But I’m glad you brought it up. The isolation I speak of is a bit more than that. SacPD apparently delayed a backup call from a fellow law enforcement agency because they were ticked off at how Jane behaved and that his actions resulted in a situation where a police officer got shot. Irritation and anger is understandable. To deny backup in a life and death situation. NO excuse. Bertram clearly showed his disdain for Jane and for Lisbon as the responsible party, which she is. As head of the team she is responsible for the actions of the team.

    I’m also glad you brought up the incident where Lisbon got shot by O’Laughlin, stating that you noticed something off starting there. Yes. O’Laughlin was clearly a Red John accomplice, had just betrayed the team and the agency, had just shot Lisbon and intended to kill everyone else, including VP. VP shot O’laughlin and is understandably concerned about him and confused because he’s her fiancé. But she does not even glance at Lisbon, doesn’t check on her, doesn’t even call out Hey, boss, you all right? NO excuse.

    Now Lisbon is taken by Red John, no less. She’s in the hospital. Bertram is like Oh, well, too bad for her. Only Jane goes to the scene? Only Jane is in the hospital? Where are the rest of the team during her stay, while she’s being checked out? Why is not at least one of them at the hospital 24/7? Where is Lisbon’s security detail there? When Jane leaves, who is watching her, allowing a Red John suspect to come in her room and exhibit intrusive, threatening behavior? Van Pelt has been given a direct order which she almost immediately breaks. Rigsby does the same, second hand. And they’re back the next morning, talking about what a great night they had in bed? When Lisbon comes back to work, Van Pelt doesn’t even hug her, which she has done in the past and Lisbon has done with her on her return from White Hat.

    This is what I’m talking about when I say I feel a creeping sense of isolation for Jane and Lisbon as only able to depend on each other. They have different methods. Jane got very angry at her and VP, but he immediately forgives and accepts what he has to work with now. There doesn’t seem to be anybody else around that really cares about Lisbon except Jane. I don’t know that she’s noticed it and maybe I’m reading too much into it. Fine. Lisbon is so accustomed, from her youth on, to looking after everyone it may not even cross her mind that no one but Jane is looking out for her.

  • III Frogs

    That last probably should be addressed to Auli and Violet who responded to my original message. I thought you brought up O’Laughlin, Auli, but it was 4.24. So my comment about O’Laughlin is new, I guess. Thanks.🙂

  • Rose UK

    Having been much intrigued by the comments from A.Anggraeni and Violet, I’ve been doing a little more research on the Beast(s) and the Book of Revelations. It’s a bit complicated, especially as I’m not much of a religious scholar and there are all sorts of allegories involving nations, political systems and governments, but here’s what I’ve come up with (if you’re interested!):

    As A.Anggraeni and Violet point out, there are two “beasts”: 1) the scarlet-coloured fierce beast from the sea with the seven heads (controlled by Satan and representing a kind of dictator) and 2) the subordinate beast from the earth who sort of does his bidding. The third beast (the dragon) is Satan, who uses both beasts as his instruments. Hence the unholy trinity.

    Let me focus on the second beast for a moment:

    – (A) He comes from the earth; (B) appears less frightening than the first beast, with horns like a *lamb*, yet (C) speaks like a dragon. He is later unmasked as a false prophet. He has three main roles: 1) to cultivate a kind of cult of worship around the Beast of the Sea and promote his aims; 2) to perform miracles [tricks] to deceive the world and encourage such worship; and 3) to ‘give breath to the image’ of the first beast (and also thus speech). It all suggests the giving of *life* – but it’s not true; it’s all just an illusion. [Anyone else reminded of The Wizard of Oz here?!]

    Anyway, I think that this could be interpreted in two ways:

    – As STILES, as Violet suggests. For a start, he’s a cult leader already: apart from his work in Visualise, could he also be establishing a cult around RJ? Or could Visualise actually *be* a cult around RJ? According to Jane, he “couldn’t hurt a fly” i.e. he is lamb-like in his demeanour, but you can’t deny he has a very wolfish quality and he is extremely influential; potentially a great mouthpiece or henchman for RJ.

    – RED JOHN – the ultimate wolf in sheep’s clothing: he has the innocent aspect of a lamb, but the fiery and dangerous breath of a dragon [B]. (But the real “lamb” i.e. “lamb of God” – Jesus – is the true saviour of mankind.) This second beast comes from the earth: one RJ clue is that he has rough hands (farm work) and smells of pine and earth [A]. RJ performs amazing conjuring tricks and blinds his disciples with his charisma and deceptions [2] – he even manages to get them to kill for him [3] or die for him. He definitely gives of a self-professed prophet vibe.

    Progressing from this idea, you could say that the Seven Suspects are the Beast of the Sea, but the real man behind it all, pulling the strings of this monster (so to speak), is the real RJ. Or at least that might have been a nice idea if Bruno hadn’t explicitly stated that RJ is definitely one of the seven.😉

    So the other interpretation is that the two beasts are the same entity: the two faces or sides of one man. The first beast is the “cult of RJ” – the terrifying public face, the image – while the second beast is the fairly ordinary man who walks unknown and “gives it breath”. I repeat: in a nutshell: Wizard of Oz.

    Sorry if that was all a bit long-winded or heavy. Feel free to correct misinterpretations or mistakes. I know it’s all very unlikely and tenuous – I just find these things a really interesting aspect.😉 I’ll get back to the fluffy stuff next time.😉 Or, you know, just shut up.

  • III Frogs

    Oh. I see the comment I’m referring to is not there. Must be in moderation. Oh well.

  • KM

    **My VanPelt issue response has a small episode 2 connection. Please don’t read this if you have not yet seen the episode.**

    I respect the reason those who think that VP should be reprimanded. I do. Yes, I think her reason given was on the weaker side. Protection for Benjamin, because of her relationship with Rigsby would have been a better reason. Still, it grieves my personality to ignore grace (not VP), and twinges of hypocrisy are also a struggle for me. Lisbon (yes while doing her job) failed Jane’s confidence, and he has responded with grace. He knows her heart was in the right place, the intentions were honorable. I think Lisbon knows that about every member of her team. She knows their intentions are honorable and they are seeking to do good. Because she has volumes of grace (a requirement for partnering with Jane). So, I’m cool without knowing of a reprimand. If TM is going to move along biblical allegories, then it must also have its savior characters. It must have examples of compassion, grace, forgiveness, and resurrection. Our need of people may be a bit of small hell, but it also our salvation. We are intended to live in relationship. The team’s strength lies in its relational devotion to each other more than its detective skills. Just my 2¢.

  • C Hill

    OK. Long comment. If and when will it make it!

    Sadly writing notes while finally getting to read all of the comments…

    1) I wonder if Libson’s misreading of Jane is going to be a theme?
    While Jane is rattled, I think Lisbon is rattled more, and is
    imprinting her reactions on Jane.

    2) I checked, Violet. Jane was an easy minute plus faster on solving
    this case than he was in 2×01 (I recommend the start of that epi
    highly!). Very similar, though. Just get this case out of the way,
    RJ is waiting!

    3) Van Pelt “telling” being bad — meh.🙂 I don’t see what VP did
    as any worse than what Lisbon did in telling VP. Risky? Sure. But
    the real damage was Jane’s foreshadowing “I shouldn’t have even
    told you.” to Lisbon in the car on the drive to the Salton Sea. And
    even VP didn’t think it was best to leave Jane out of the loop!

    4) While I can see where there could have been two people at the
    house, there was room for someone to sneak out of the bathroom and
    hide behind the opened door while Lisbon was tending to Partridge.
    Though I’m not against RJ being a team of two and have discussed that
    before.

    5) With all of the snooping and surveillance, I’d advise everyone
    to take a peek back at 2×21 (18-5-4), Tolman Bunting, and his
    business. He’d be a nice callback…

    6) Auli, nice filling out the reference to 2×01. I agree that growth
    in the team and the personal dynamics between them comes out in 6×01.
    Not sure if it was Sac PD or just the suspect that got it in 2×01.

    7) Rose, I think Bertram’s boat comment was a direct Moby Dick reference.

    8) Haffner tells Lisbon “We’ll have a time”. That’s more of an old-timey,
    possibly more Southern reference for a date or night on the town. Think
    of the lyrics from If you’ve got the Money (Honey, I’ve got the time)
    — “we’ll go honky tonkin’ and we’ll have a time”.

  • Elle

    Hi there, I really enjoy your reviews, I only came across them a few weeks ago but have read almost all of them, they are very insightful and help me to work through episodes.
    There are so many RJ theories going around, and that is really what I love about this show, there are just so many possibilities and anything could happen. My theory, for what it’s worth, is that Brett Patridge is RJ. I know, I know, technically he is dead. But what better way to throw the audience off the scent than ‘killing’ the real guy off. It wouldn’t be the first time a Tv show has pulled a fake-out when it comes to killing off characters. Sherlock, anyone? It is 100 possible that Patridge faked his own death. If he is Red John he would be perfectly capable of doing so, and have the friends and connections to help carry it out. The whole Tyger, Tyger thing takes on a whole new meaning then. Also I just love the idea that we have known Red John from the very first episode. That we met all the main characters int he pilot, including the serial killer Jane was so desperately hunting. Even though there have been all sorts of clues pointing every which way, I just get a vibe off of Patridge that none of the other suspects give me. Not very scientific, I know, but when I see him I can just imagine this guy as a serial killer. Its very Dexter. And killing Patridge off this early int he game gives RJ the perfect opportunity to focus on what he does best- being a serial killer. With his public face permanently removed, he doesn’t have to spend time living his Clark Kent-like persona, he can just be superman all the time. I liken it to someone with multiple personality disorder- if one of the personalities was to disappear, you’d still be left with the other. Red John and Brett Patridge are two sides of the same coin.
    This being said, I am also pretty sure that a Bertram, Reede Smith and McCalister are Red John followers. They are in the know and are part of his criminal web. Kirkland has his own agenda, and Haffner- I don’t know what to make of him just yet, but he could play into another theory I have- that Bret Stiles is Brett Patridge’s father and knows he is RJ. Stiles just knows way too much about RJ, as we know from seasons past and that whole thing with Kristina Fry. Stiles is obviously disapproving of RJ, but cant just out him as his own son, so he helps Jane along in small ways when he can. Haffner might know this, being part of Visualise. I just have trouble seeing him as a true ‘friend’ of Red John, I just think he is in on the secret and, being part of Visualise, wants to help Stiles keep it.
    So so excited to see how this season plays out. No matter what happens don’t think I will be disappointed. Keep up the great recaps!

  • reviewbrain

    My dear wonderful friends and readers,

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    Thanks xoxo

  • phoenixx

    @reviewbrain: As much as I understand your point, I don’t see why you took that one part out of my post though I not only tagged it Spoiler (which kind of implies I mention something that hasn’t happened yet) but I mentioned nothing that was explicit and/or isn’t posted in a few posts above mine already which is still present.

    @CHill: 3)
    – Van Pelt “telling” being bad — meh.🙂 I don’t see what VP did
    as any worse than what Lisbon did in telling VP. Risky? Sure. But
    the real damage was Jane’s foreshadowing “I shouldn’t have even
    told you.” to Lisbon in the car on the drive to the Salton Sea. And
    even VP didn’t think it was best to leave Jane out of the loop!

    Well what VP did was worse because she isn’t the Boss, she isn’t allowed to dissobey an order (or give orders) and Lisbon told her a few times she’s not supposed to tell anyone! Jane on the other hand isn’t Lisbon’s boss, so she can make any decision she thinks is right (wether it is or not)´.
    If you’re at work and you do the exact opposite of what your boss tells you, I don’t think he would just go “Oh well I did the same, no harm done”.

    – 8) Haffner tells Lisbon “We’ll have a time”. That’s more of an old-timey,
    possibly more Southern reference for a date or night on the town. Think
    of the lyrics from If you’ve got the Money (Honey, I’ve got the time)
    – “we’ll go honky tonkin’ and we’ll have a time”.

    Thanks for that, 😀 As I’m not American that’s nice to know, so he indeed kinda did “ask” her for a date O.O

  • C Hill

    sorry, RB, I got just slightly out of sequence there, but nothing too bad i hope! this just means violet needs to put a rush on the reviews, right?🙂

  • reviewbrain

    @pheonixx
    You’re right, I missed those since in my hurry to moderate I just quickly skimmed through most comments an happened to catch yours. Thanks for pointing this out I’ll be more careful next time.
    @C Hill Violet’s busy so I’ll be writing this next one. Or maybe you could😉

  • Carla Oliveira

    Oh! Good to know you will write the next review, Reviewbrain. I miss your reviews too much. I’m looking forward even more I have loved 6×02.

  • anomalycommenter

    I’m late, too late. Great review Violet as always and sorry for my late gratitude.🙂 You really managed to see and connect everything that I at most only got a tickling feeling about (Jane’s two heads, Victim in the closet, RJ being or acting as a duo, though I too like C Hill, had suspicions about that before) and much more. Oh, and everybody’s comments and points are really clever. Love this community!🙂 Have to confess that in my first viewing I saw not even a single point, was just shocked to death. Great that you mentioned Bertram saying “I am many thing to many people”, like the writing on the bathroom wall of “He is ma”, in ‘Red John’s Friends’, There we saw the image of RJ’s smiley in the mirror Taissa and Auli! Well I also got the feeling that Lisbon not only was startled this time in seeing the bathroom’s door being open, but also sensed or even saw something suspicious in there. (I could well be completely wrong here.)

    The more I think about it the more I see credibility in Violet’s 7 sins idea. Great work back there! You see there might be link in this episode’s story of the case of the week and that of the RJ suspects when we consider your idea. Aside from what you mentioned about the murderers actually being two persons and the presence of a silent bystander. We also have tree highly suspicious suspects who in spite of the stress on them being sinful turned out to be innocent of the crime. Could the sins they can be associated with be a clue as to which RJ suspects may be red herrings?

    @Reviewbrain: Great news! Really looking forward to reading your review for the next episode. It’s great to have you back at your own blog. Just let me say it: RB’s blog rocks!

    @Rose UK: Wow, I’m really blown away by your comments and also those of KM, Alutran and A.Anggraeni. Great research and comments folks.🙂 Seems we have a complete ecosystem in the TM, with present, past, and mythical creatures abound. A dark jungle full of scary creatures and at the same time a sunny plain with all kinds beautiful of flowers.

    @Zee: Now it was your turn to give me shivers, I guess!🙂 Will wait till the next review for further discussion. Scrambled pigeon eggs, anybody?

    @Estatica: Really happy to see you back here!🙂 I was confused to see that there was no direct mention of “Hell is other people” in the episode. But you’re absolutely right. That must exactly be the PJ’s feeling in meeting with the team outside the diner, which KM’s analysis of is perfect. And yes again, Ron was totally suspicious this time around. It reminded me of the somewhat similar situation halfway into the ‘Behind the Red Curtain’ episode, when the culprit answered the phone of the fabricated investor. Well, better to talk about these two points under the next episode’s review!

    Suzjazz ,III Frogs, and Phoenixx: I want to say that Lisbon’s insistence on doing something and going behind Jane’s back in doing so might be a result of her experience in her carrier defining case mentioned in ‘Red Badge’. There we found out that in order to catch a criminal she had waited for the right moment (something that PJ is maybe trying to do now) and did not act prematurely, though she might have saved a victim, which resulted in great suffering, and her being blamed for inaction by the father of the victim. And although you’re right in your professional assessment of VP, but in addition to being a plot tool it might also hint to something being off in the team as Suzjass and Violet mentioned before. Either about VP herself or even about Rigsby! Unbelievable I know, but please someone tell me the point of VP dreaming of O’laughlin in ‘My Bloody Valentine’, there was a hint there that her subconscious (more accurately her unconscious mind, right?) tried to warn her about her attraction to men who despite genuine feelings about her are quite dangerous people deep down. We had Rigsby’s suspicion of VP that was shown in a way to be suspicious itself, and also in two other episodes I noted that he acted and mentioned something quite suspiciously, one that I can remember is when they found and brought Kristina Frye to CBI HQ. Quite a stretch, I know!🙂

    @Carla: Lol, “spoilerphobic”! That was great and a subtle spoiler also!🙂

  • C Hill

    good to hear you are doing 6×02, RB! and, no, i don’t think i’m ready to step up for you or violet at this time — y’all set a high bar!

  • III Frogs

    Hi @anomoly I made a comment elaborating on my creeping sense of Jane and Lisbon’s isolation from the team and other work situations, seeming to force them to have only each other to depend on. It’s in moderation, so I won’t try to reconstruct it here. Maybe it will show up soon enough to be relevant. But for now, we’re all held hostage by the spammers, I guess.🙂

  • suzjazz

    @III Frogs: I have been having the same feeling. There doesn’t seem to be the usual *esprit de corps* in the team. Once they all knew the suspects, why didn’t Lisbon call a meeting to strategize? I think Lisbon is starting to doubt that the team can help find RJ, and she’s scared (by her own admission) that Jane doesn’t have a plan. She doesn’t know where to turn. She will have to depend on Jane. But can she? (I don’t want to include spoilers from 6:02 so I’m going to stop here.)

  • III Frogs

    You know, suzjazz, it occurs to me from reading your post that my comment may not have made it out of moderation because it contained spoilers for the next episode and if so, I’m grateful for whoever caught it and held it back.

    I find it extremely difficult to stick to talking about the previous week’s episode when I’ve already seen the current one, and BTS photos, spoilers and interviews are coming out for two episodes ahead and become fodder all over the place. As these things get discussed, they become part of the landscape of the show in my mind and they are melded accordingly.

    I apologize if I’ve already spoiled anyone. I just think the confinement is just too much for me to handle. Thanks.

  • anomalycommenter

    Hi @III Frogs. Looking forward to read your comment.🙂 And please pardon me for the numerous grammatical errors that I made in my post. Also we all probably know this by now, but just in case, if it’s in moderation for more than 2 or 3 days, maybe it was not registered in the system in the first place. If it was not and you have an exact copy of it and re-post it, the system will tell you whether it has registered it before and would not double post or if it was not registered will do so. And yes, you’re right, we are held by them at junk point!🙂

  • phoenixx

    @reviewbrain: NP and I didn’t mean it in a bad way, was just wondering😉
    So excited you’ll be doing a review again😀

    @anomaly: Great catch about Lisbon acting that way bc her actions in her big case got an innocent girl killed, Jane answering “probably” to Lisbon’s “And in the meantime RJ kills again” could have triggered that. It really is alike, Jane waiting for something to come up to catch RJ and Lisbon trying anything to stop him so not more innocent people get killed.
    And about VP and her subconscious, I think we should wait for that discussion after Ep3, I think there’s more to come.

    LOL about Ron and his phone, it really seemed odd to have him staring at his phone and then the moment he’s around the corner RJ calls Jane xD
    Maybe a lot of people were right in suspecting him to be one of RJ’s followers.

  • anomalycommenter

    @Phoenixx: Thanks a lot! You actually expressed Lisbon’s motives and her situation much better than me.🙂 Just a little thing that I think wouldn’t make any real difference in the end result is that although what that criminal was guilty of doing (and doing serially) was indeed a grave crime, it was not murder as far as I can remember.

    You’re most probably right, I am , too, very eager to know what Ep3 and the ensuing discussion would bring about. And more on Ron under the next episode’s review. Well, try to remember why.🙂

  • phoenixx

    @anomaly: thanks *blush*😀
    Can’t remember what exactly happened to her I somehow think the dad was so angry bc she killed herself at some point? But honestly don’t know. But then again I don’t see a huge difference to RJ killing people, this crime is just as repulsive.

  • Rose UK

    Hey, Anomaly, you made it! I was wondering where you’d got to.😉 “Seems we have a complete ecosystem in the TM, with present, past, and mythical creatures abound. A dark jungle full of scary creatures and at the same time a sunny plain with all kinds beautiful of flowers.” – I like this way of putting it.🙂 Let’s hope our beloved I-can’t-believe-they’re-fictional-I’m-so-invested-in-their-imaginary-futures Jane and Lisbon get to go strolling in the latter (with the pony) one day.😉

    @ Frogs: No need to apologise for ‘spoilers’, at least to me.😉 I may be totally weird about them, but I’m also bursting to talk about episode 2, so I completely understand where you’re coming from!

    My spidey-senses are a-tingling from everyone’s comments and cryptic allusions though!!

  • KM

    Thank you for your kind words, @Violet, @Rose, and @ anomaly.

    I believe the young girl was raped, not murdered. Lisbon (and Bosco) waited to be sure and things were solid for conviction, but the waiting allowed the pedophile to rape again. Provided we are talking about season 2’s ‘Red Badge’.

  • anomalycommenter

    Thanks a lot Rose!🙂 It just needs a lot of grammatical revision, a sign of the hasty writing and the frantic week I had! I, too, hope so and no doubt with that pony included! Especially now that I realized that just like you how much I am invested in this show and the characters, without truly being aware of it before!🙂

    Phoenixx & KM: Both of you are absolutely right. It is just as hideous a crime as what RJ does. And yes that’s the episode we were discussing about and I checked it, that girl survived and managed to cope better with that sad reality than her father (kinda like Patrick Jane) could.

  • C Hill

    Your memory of the girl in 2×03 is correct, KM.

    I don’t think it goes back that far — just back to the scene with Bertram in this episode and declaring she “is responsible”. I think she felt a need to act to attempt to prevent something from happening while Jane found his feet. She went back to original training. (I’m sure someone’s mentioned this on here before…)

  • anomalycommenter

    @C Hill: Yours is a completely valid point that I had not thought about. It could well be the case. Thanks!🙂

  • bloomingviolet2013

    Sorry for my belated replies, I’m catching up, lol…😉

    @ Taissa : thank you for correcting me on the two months thing. My mistake!
    Also, very interesting point about the gardening references… Notably the fact that both cases were linked to the notion: the first killer buried in the garden those belongings he pretended were stolen, while the other murder involved a gardening truck and flower seeds… In both cases, the garden and flowers were associated to violent death, in a “beautiful and weird” manner as Brett put it at the second murder scene. I don’t know if we can make something of it yet, but it’s definitely something to keep looking for in the rest of the season. Maybe it is an extension of the flowers themes (roses/ orchids and so on)…😉

    @ Auli wrote: “Showing that Jane and Lisbon sleep opposite sides in the bed and the camera angle that they used makde me think a short time that they are sharing the bed (I wish).”

    Ok, that made me laugh out loud! LOL😀

    Suzjazz wrote: “I agree with III Frogs about Grace being unprofessional and deserving a suspension if not a firing–Lisbon really should have told Cho if she was going to tell anyone on the team”

    And Estatica wrote: “Now, this is all conjecture, but I’m guessing this happens when the team is outside the diner and Jane just found out they all know about the list. He doesn’t seem mad at the team, merely exasperated and worried that this will put them all in danger. He even pats Van Pelt as he heads inside. It seems like they have all reached a point where secrecy is impossible. They mean too much to each other and know each other too well to be able to act professional and simply obey orders. Like LaRoche had stated in 5×21, “Allegiances, loyalties. Yes. Of course. What…what was I thinking?”, Jane too must be going through the same.”

    Honestly, I’m beginning to wonder if things will ever get normal for the team, Lisbon and Jane when RJ is involved. After all, can we really expect normal punishments like formal reprimands or suspensions when the case is not a normal one for them? Not only because they’ve been working on it for years now (Grace’s whole CBI career was spent on the case when you think of it), but also because it touches them all personally. They are personally involved because RJ’s murders and threats have had serious implications in their lives. Grace had been emotionally scarred for a long time by Craig; Rigsby lost Sarah, the mother of his child, over his fake death in ‘The Crimson Hat’; for six months they though they had lost Jane during his long con in Vegas and they know RJ had asked for Lisbon’s head. Plus they’re aware they’re all in danger since Bosco’s team’s demise: it can be any of them, anywhere, as soon as they start making a head in the case, like the others were doing when Rebecca put a end to it.
    Therefore I wonder if, given how deep they’re all in, Grace taking upon herself to go against a direct order, Lisbon’s decision (to do something in order to prevent more murders and thus to protect Jane who doesn’t know what to do…) and Jane’s rather resigned anger could not a least seem a bit more understandable. They *knew* then that RJ had started circling Jane (by killing Eileen), so Lisbon as well as Van Pelt had to feel they and the others might be the next in line… only to be proven right when Lisbon was taken. In a way, they may have been looking for security in numbers, even Jane in spite of himself.

    (Also, Estatica: you may not realize either how heartening it is for me to read all your very nice comments after writing a eview… thanks a lot to you!😉 )

    @ NLion BlueD wrote: “The curved blade is designed to cut easily while being pulled through a layer of linoleum or wallboard, rather than pressing and sawing as with a steak or bread knife,…ideal for dragging across a throat or slitting an abdomen open. (TM is subtly really gory at times, even though it lacks the very in-your-face killings, bodies and autopsies of some other procedurals!)”

    Yes it is: Angela’s bloodied toenails, Todd set on fire, the body stuffed in Rosalind’s closet while she’s calmly playing the piano and in a bit less subtle way the bug eaten corpse in which had Lisbon fainting last season… Not to mention some very disturbing killers (the woman who had her neighbor drugged in order to gut himself in ‘Devil’s Cherry’, or the shot of the three coworkers standing above their friend before they beat him to death in ‘Black Cherry’, for instance). In a sense, the show is like Jane himself, who can be joking charmingly, drinking tea in his stylish suit, then is suddenly telling Lisbon he plans to torture and gut his nemesis: it seems harmless and rather amusing, yet in its depths it hides some pretty dark and unsettling elements we can only glimpse fleetingly .

    @ Phoenixx: “About how RJ got behind Lisbon, I thought he stepped into the shadow between wall and door, she was distracted and he obviously hid in the bathroom (wonder what would’ve happened if she had opened it first xD)
    If there was a second one where did he hide? When the door was closed there was no one and there was only the window, he can’t have come through there, so I stick with the ‘there was only one person’ theory.”

    I’d agree with you if there wasn’t that shot of Lisbon standing near Brett’s dead body, which give us a pretty good idea of the setting. I mean, you’re right that RJ could have opened the door and exited the room without being seen, but the door wasn’t really hiding a lot of space when opened, because the doorframe was pretty close to the corner (it’s visible when the door is closed). Lisbon was staring right into the bathroom, she would have noticed someone creeping from such a narrow space right at her side, almost in front of her –or it would be a rather big pet peeve imho. After all, she’s a trained cop, who just found a dead body, she would have noticed someone coming almost right in front of her; she was too close to the door not to notice. That’s why for me, there were two of them and the second one indeed came from the window (opened and hidden by curtains). When you look at her listening to Brett, we can see the yellowish curtains right behind her and she was standing right in front of the window afterwards. Someone could even have passed his arms through the window and render her unconscious. Of course, I might be wrong!😛 Hopefully you’ll know soon what really happened in that bathroom…

  • bloomingviolet2013

    @ Elle: that theory Partridge being alive is really interesting but I’d rather believe poor creepy Brett was killed for real. There were too many witnesses, between Jane (who certainly barged in as soon as he could, since the address was easy to locate with the GPS), the SacPD, the techs and other law enforcement members at the crime scene. Jane and the team were able to pull it off in ‘The Crimson Hat’ because they had a corpse which was hard to identify and could pass for one of them at least temporarily, but here Partridge’s face was visible. Plus, they’re all professionals accustomed to seeing corpses and normally a doctor would have examined the body before taking him to the morgue. It’s not impossible to suppose he’s alive, but it would have been hard to pull off in my opinion… which is a shame, because I really could see that creep standing up silently, tiptoeing behind Lisbon and later caressing her face while marring her with blood from someone else… not to mention he was in the pilot, which would have had the RJ storyline come full circle. *Sigh*

    @ Anomaly: I think you’re right about Lisbon’s fear of letting another victim die if she can prevent it. I agree with you and C Hill there that she must have felt responsible in front of that father in ‘Red Badge’ and that Bertram’s remark only spurred her on in this episode. That take-charge and responsible attitude certainly steams from her childhood: she felt responsible for her brothers and felt compelled to take care of her drunkard father as well. That’s why she accepted working with short-tempered Hannigan and why she took the helpless Jane under her wing. She’s compelled to save people and it must hurt when she fails. There was no way she would have accepted waiting patiently for another victim as Jane was telling her to neither could she have stayed out of that house for long for that matter.

    Also, I almost forgot to thank Rita for her lovely comment! Good eye for details!🙂

    Last, not least, may I add that I too am looking forward to Reviewbrain’s upcoming review? It ought to be awesome!😀

    (Sorry for any mistakes and grammatical errors, I’m pretty sleepy. The discussion is really interesting and I regret I’m not doing it justice…)

  • Rose UK

    Further to the debate on decisions taken by various team members, I’d just say that Lisbon has gone against Jane before, when she listened in on his conversation with Lorelei. She’s often repressed her professional instincts to go along with Jane’s sundry crazy schemes, but she also draws the line at certain critical junctures. And she asked VP for help because she couldn’t do it alone, operationally and possibly also emotionally (who knows). Maybe VP told Rigsby because she too needed help, or at least to share the emotional burden with someone – it’s becoming increasingly apparent that everybody needs somebody. I’d like to think that everyone did what they did because they believed it was the right thing for the people they care about, VP & Rigsby included.

    In fact, I think that Grace is actually the most likely of the junior members to break the rules if she thinks it’s for a good cause or the right reasons (as she sees it) – see my previous comment about how she was the first to declare herself in on the scheme to reinstate Lisbon. She is clearly fond of both of them, and she’s not afraid to show it (within professional reason): she hugs Lisbon after the bomb thing, says something like “it’s good to have her back” in 4×03 and is generally fairly gentle and unobtrusive with her (I can imagine that a pushy Grace would just make Lisbon retreat). And as for Jane, despite their ideological differences, she sides with him a fair bit (when he justifies torturing the ‘coffin man’ by rhetorically asking if people thought he deserved it, VP is all “Hell, yeah!”). To me, this demonstrates that she stands by her beliefs and I quite admire this about her. Even in the pilot, she was prepared to argue her point with Jane, even if it did end uncomfortably. Plus, she shows care for him (when he runs off to Vegas, she is openly concerned and says they have to help him. Even when she’s pissed off at him afterwards, she’s transparent about it!) I don’t know whether it’s to do with the mentor-pupil thing they had going on in earlier seasons, but I sometimes feel that she would run to their defense much faster than she would to Rigsby’s! Obviously, I am fully prepared to be proven utterly wrong on her attitude and motivations, but I hope not!!

    Cho, on the other hand, I think is more inclined to do something for Lisbon over Jane. I can’t think of many examples to substantiate this feeling, though. Only when he says “we’re helping the boss, she’s helping you” to Jane in 4×24. Rigsby is a bit of a question mark to me, but I think he is the least comfortable with breaking the rules. Someone above also alluded to the fact that working with an, err, ‘unconventional’ consultant like Jane would probably rub off on them in some way, and I think that might be a factor too.

    In short, like some of you have been saying, in my view the RJ case has just brought all these undercurrents of personal emotion to the surface (although Cho remains as inscrutable as ever, lol) – it’s also turning their familiar and well-ordered working world upside down, and I just think they’re all finding it much more difficult than usual to remain professional and follow protocol.
    🙂

  • Rose UK

    I’ve got a rambling post in moderation, but I just thought of a much more succinct way to express what I was trying to say re: Grace’s disobedience… Which is this:

    Of all the team, she is the most likely to be guided by her heart, not her head, and I think that this characterises many of her actions. Whether or not that makes her suitable for law enforcement, however, I don’t know!

  • suzjazz

    @violet: “In a sense, the show is like Jane himself, who can be joking charmingly, drinking tea in his stylish suit, then is suddenly telling Lisbon he plans to torture and gut his nemesis: it seems harmless and rather amusing, yet in its depths it hides some pretty dark and unsettling elements we can only glimpse fleetingly.”

    Great observation!

  • reviewbrain

    Oh it’s totally unprofessional, I totally agree. But I tend to forgive such things in this show because I’m a complete sucker for character moments. To me, because the reason Jane didn’t want the team to know because he felt it would endanger them (as opposed to his not trusting them) them, makes it easier to let it slide. It also helps that these are fictional character. If a subordinate disregarded an order like that in real life I’d probably want her fired :p
    But perhaps this stigma was intended by the writers, to show why the non-dating rule is there in the first place. Now I’m wondering if Grace’s inability to seperate the personal from the professional is some sort of set up for a future event…

  • Carla Oliveira

    Sorry I’m late thank you, Violet. I was so busy this week. Well, thank you. You have no idea how clarifier (I even don’t know if this word really exists) this is to me to truly understand between the lines. You opened my eyes for some points. It was amazing. I love it:
    “His motive for targeting Lisbon from the very start is pretty clear: she was trying to think rationally and to help her partner, thus she was bringing him small amount of comfort. She was his true “desert rose”, the blooming flower in the desert of despair, his ray of hope.”
    I totally agree with it. The consensus or nearly, the team should know the list and kindness of RJ with Lisbon. I agree with this. But I disagree RJ is more than one guy. I think he is well attended some times and has minions in strategic places like FBI, CBI.
    I’m particularly suspecting of CBI Ron. I think he was waiting Jane get CBI Building and when he just gets there he called RJ and stayed watching Jane’s reaction at RJ’s call to him. Definitely Ron is suspicious to me.

  • anomalycommenter

    @Violet: Great insight about Lisbon’s responsible childhood years factor! Be it that, the cases she was involved with during all these years, or as C Hill noted seeing Jane’s apparent confusion in the face of recent happenings and Bertram demanding responsibility from her, all seem to have an additive effect and thus hard to gauge in the their exact contribution in her final decision.

    @III Frogs and @Rose UK: Now that both of your excellently detailed and accurate comments are out of moderation, what I see is that both of you are absolutely correct! Maybe we can attribute the inconsistencies seen in those characters at least partly to the factor that there are indeed several writers involved in writing different episodes, some probably major pet peeves that III Frogs counted, VP not checking on Lisbon in season 3 finale seemed very wired to me too at the time (I see that RB has her take on some of the recent ones you mentioned in the next episode’s review), if it’s indeed a general shift in their behavior something being off as you mentioned that we have to wait and see to be revealed, hopefully soon, or just that human beings in real life do not always act in the way that is expected of them (maybe a pinch of chaos here and there, III frogs🙂 ).

  • III Frogs

    Hmmmm, @anomaly, the different writers probably do have their chaotic effect, ha. Little plot disturbances that have big effects on certain viewers like myself. LOL! If so, they seem to have hit a tipping point and blossomed like Mendelbrot in the next episode. I won’t repeat my spoilers here. I’ll just wait and see if anything comes of it. Or if there’s more discussion to be had about it in the reviewbrain review of Black-winged Redbird!

  • Rose UK

    @ Frogs: Funny how we’ve each been looking at VP’s character and behaviour from opposite ends of the spectrum.😉 I totally acknowledge those negative aspects, but I guess I’ve always excused her as being occasionally thoughtless or a bit too emotional. Not having been ‘spoilered’ yet, I have nothing ‘future’ on which to base my feelings so I’m ready to be wrong!😉

    **** MINI SUBTLE MENTION OF EPISODE 2 ****
    As of now, though, I just wonder whether the team is apparently carrying on business as usual because that’s what Lisbon would want? And possibly also insist on? She’s highly practical and I’m not sure she’d want to be ‘mollycoddled’ or pitied as she might consider it a sign of weakness. I know that’s not the same as having someone care *about* you, though.

    **** END MINI SUBTLE MENTION OF EP 2 ****

    Also, at the time of her encounter with RJ, the team was busy dealing with the murderers from the ‘case of the week’ although after that I couldn’t really say what we’re supposed to infer…

    @ Anomaly: You’re very diplomatic.😀

  • Cece

    @Rose UK, you said, “She asked VP for help because she couldn’t do it alone, operationally and possibly also emotionally (who knows). Maybe VP told Rigsby because she too needed help.”

    Here’s my problem with this, Lisbon didn’t just spring this on Van Pelt. She told Grace there was something very important she wanted VP to do but that Grace had to keep her mouth shut about it. Lisbon was very clear. She gave Van Pelt a chance to back out. If Van Pelt thought there was a snowball’s chance in hell that she would have to tell someone else (after Lisbon made clear that this required the utmost secrecy on Van Pelt’s part) because of her need for emotional support (let alone a needy boyfriend) then she should have told Lisbon she couldn’t do it, but she didn’t. Grace agreed to Lisbon’s terms and then broke almost instantly.

    For the record, if Lisbon needed emotional support on a case, I don’t think she’d turn to Van Pelt.

    “Of all the team, she is the most likely to be guided by her heart, not her head, and I think that this characterises many of her actions. Whether or not that makes her suitable for law enforcement, however, I don’t know!”

    Well put. For me, while this quality may make her a nice person, it makes her unsuited to be a cop. Grace isn’t a rookie anymore. Her unprofessionalism isn’t charmingly naive or endearing. She’s just bad at her job.

  • III Frogs

    @Cece This is exactly my thinking about VP’s actions. You’ve hit the nail right on the head! She doesn’t belong in law enforcement and can’t be trusted to do the job in the high pressure, critical cases that come their way. I’m not saying she’s never been helpful, or even tough with perps at times. But you can’t rely on someone who would betray you this way, and Lisbon should not trust her.

    I’m not so sure she should trust Rigsby either. He manipulated VP with the affair nonsense, knowing he could play her to tell all. His actions were contemptible in light of the fact that he knew Lisbon wanted extreme secrecy on this. Instead of helping Grace keep that secret, he manipulated her into breaking faith with Lisbon and disobeying a direct order given in the most dire circumstances.

    And then to go on about the great night in bed they were having while Lisbon was in the hospital. Why on earth would the writers think we would be titillated by such a thoughtless affront, never even having acknowledged the seriousness of Lisbon’s plight?

    Something is not right with this team and with the other CBI professionals that extend from them. In my opinion.

  • Cece

    @IIIFrogs We are of one mind:) Your point about things being off with the team is really interesting. I hope you’re right and writers go somewhere with it. It could be that this issue has been building for years, as the show’s go on, more and more often it’s Jane and Lisbon off doing something with Cho, Rigsby and Van Pelt doing something else. While it’s certainly no excuse, it makes sense that Van Pelt and Rigsby’s insubordination is a symptom of a much larger problem.

  • Rose UK

    So sorry – put my episode-appropriate reply in the wrong review… I now feel compelled to repeat it in the correct one, because I am that tidy *cough* neat freakish. 😉

    @ Cece: Point taken! Perhaps VP shouldn’t have made a promise she couldn’t keep, but maybe she honestly thought she could! I don’t know…😉 After all, it’s her ‘weird’ behaviour that initially gives her away to Rigsby, who then presumably acts like a dog with a bone. Not saying she couldn’t have tried a lot harder to keep the secret, but, if we’re honest, doesn’t Lisbon do the same in some ways? In the sense that her natural honesty/inability to lie well to people has betrayed her on a number of occasions.

  • Jayapriya (@simply_shona)

    Hi! I’m a recent follower of the mentalist! (My first post here woohoo!)
    Finished all 118 eps in 25 days and I’m so thankful that I started so late, otherwise I would simply been unable to stand the suspense for the past few years!
    I chanced upon this website days ago and I’ve been hooked ever since! Just wish there were reviews for earlier eps too- great job!!!!

    Anyway, I feel like Ron( the cbi extra) is RJ.. I found it particularly strange that he was walking away with his hp just as Jane walks in to look for Lisbon and within mins of that, he immediately gets a call from RJ.
    RJ is twisted and probably gets some satisfaction from seeing Jane’s broken expression live as he mentions about Lisbon. Although, the scene cuts to the knife and gloves we dun actually see RJ talking live right ?
    It’s also not his usual style of painting cos he did not use Lisbon’s own blood like he does with his victim’s normally .
    He also did not harm her tho I think that’s more of ” watch out Jane. I’ll be coming back for her- this is just a trailer to show I Can get her if I want to..”
    Even the way the face is painted really carefully seems like maybe one if his disciple is drawing the face n doesn’t want to mess it up. (This show makes u think loads of crazy!!!))
    I find it really strange that Ron is more of a regular dude on the show just walking around loads these days. Heller mentioned in his interview that the very last sequence in this ep had a cryptic clue… I can’t help think that it’s Ron…
    I kinda wish it’s not tho cos I hope to be really awed by Heller’s choice of RJ in the revelation episode!

  • anomalycommenter

    @Rose UK: I neither confirm nor deny ever having watched a series named “Yes Minister” or “Yes Prime Minister”!😉

    But theoretically speaking…

  • bloomingviolet2013

    @ Jayapriya: Sorry for my belated reply! Thanks for your lovely comment and welcome to the blog!🙂

    Personally I don’t think Ron could be RJ, basically because he isn’t on the list of suspects. Still, he may have a more important part in the bigger picture. For instance, he could very well be working for the serial killer and him being so close to the team and spying on them would explain how RJ is always a step ahead of them, as well as the security breaches in their computer when RJ sent that stalking video of Darcy. In that scene you describe, he could have been observing Jane’s reaction in order to tell his master afterwards…
    Or, like many in law enforcement, he could be a member of Visualize (is the two are not connected, that is), which would explain how well informed Stiles was about the team’s lives in ‘His Thoughts Were Red Thoughts’… Or, he could be part of another secret society created by some of the suspects Jane is observing right now (for more details on this peculiar theory, see Reviewbrain’s great review for the next episode😉 ). Likewise, his role then would be to keep an eye on them all and to keep tracks of Jane’s progresses on the RJ case.
    Still, I admit I kinda hope Ron is just a regular nice guy. I like the character… Seeing him regularly adds a touch of familiarity and day-to-day life to the CBI bullpen…🙂

  • Sid

    Bertram wasn’t protecting them. It was sort of a suspension. “I’m sending you away so you won’t be around for a little bit to diffuse a little bit of the mess.”

    It’s like forced leave although they did get to work a case.

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