Mentalist Blood Feud Review


When CBI Agent Wayne Rigsby (Owain Yeoman) is arrested, he has to explain himself to Professional Standard’s head Special Agent J.J. LaRoche (Pruitt Taylor Vince) to prove he is innocent of a crime viewers gradually become privy to through flashbacks. It all starts when Rigsby’s convicted dad, Steven Rigsby (William Forsythe) was found injured at a crime scene in Carson springs, where a young man with ties to the town’s major drug family was killed.

Concise Verdict

Pruitt Taylor Vince is back! PTV is back!!! CREEPY BUT FLUFFY LAROCHE IS BACK!!! Woohoo! My undying love for the character (and the actor) has been well documented, (time and time again) so I know viewers will forgive my flailing here. This was a fabulous episode made even more so by bringing back a couple of this show’s fabulous guest stars. By the way, I think it’s safe to say that writer Jordan Harper has become the new Ashley Gable of this show. He tends to focus on Lisbon and Rigsby. He knows them inside out. He puts them in challenging situations. And he enjoys making viewers cry. Also, continuity, people! Continuity and foreshadowing! Top it off with great acting, beautiful music, and a clever script, and you’ve got a winner. 10/10.

Detailed AKA Humungous Review (Spoilers Galore)

Before I get into the review, I’d like to recap some very important observations Violet made about Rigsby Sr. in her guest review of “Like a Red-Headed Stepchild”:

Is that me or Steve also reminds a little of Jane himself? A few hints seem to draw an analogy between them: in VIS #1, he affirms he can get the killer in ten minutes (that’s so Jane-ish!) and he’s sprawled on a couch. He’s a cold manipulative jerk. He slyly plays on Rigsby’s feelings, calling him “son”, never by his given name, even when he insults or threatens him. And what is more revealing, Wayne’s attitude towards them is comparable: he never tried to set the record with Jane’s sometimes mean tricks, nor does he with his father. He lied for them and let them get away with it even when he knows that he’s been had. And that’s where we can see Grace’s influence, because he decides to react after this last manipulation.

Fans will remember that Rigsby’s reaction was to finally face his father. The two come to blows, and Rigsby took his father down, but never delivered the final punch. The fight allowed the two to part on better terms then they had met. Steven’s parting words, “See you around, son” were perhaps the one time he used the familial term without an ulterior motive; he used the term sincerely. Genuinely.

Now in this review, I’ll be elaborating on Violet’s insightful comparison of Jane to Steven, as well as her contrasting of Rigsby to both his father, and to Jane. This will be done where relevant and as the topic presents itself.

VIS #1 Teaser

I knew I would love this episode before the opening credits. The set-up was brilliant. First we see, for the first time, Rigsby’s baby (who incidentally, looks very much like his dad). The baby sitter tells Rigsby that his son is “a good boy, like his father.”

-This statement alludes to themes addressed in previous episodes (Bloodsport, Like a Red-Headed Stepchild). Mainly, it recalls Rigsby’s fear that criminal behavior is hereditary and therefore hints that once again he’ll face his criminal father.

Two agents come to arrest Rigsby from his apartment, practically in front of his son. And just in case that wasn’t enough to keep viewers interested, the next scene which takes place at the CBI has J.J. LaRoche in it, greeting a sober Lisbon and Jane, before going in to question Rigsby. J.J. tells Rigsby that “If I don’t like what you have to say, you could walk out of this room charged with murder.” Rigsby then begins his tale, starting with how he got called to a crime scene in Carson sprints, and how his father was found there.

– Talk about a powerful hook! No way anyone changed the channel after that.

VIS #2 Wayne and Lisbon visit Steven in the Hospital

As LaRoche questions Rigsby on the last time he saw his father, we see a montage of Steven being rushed into surgery at a hospital, with Rigsby running alongside of him and sitting down to wait with Lisbon.

-When the team found Steven, his son’s first statement to him was “What did you do, dad?” establishing that he knows his father enough to recognize his propensity to make trouble. But Rigsby’s main concern is still his father’s health. This was nice to see and very in character for the sensitive agent.

Lisbon stands by Rigsby and joins him in asking the doctor about Rigsby senior’s health, before asking if she can ask him some questions. Rigsby then adds “both of us”.

-Lisbon’s support here was lovely to see and builds on the sibling-like relationship her and the younger agent share. But her double take at Wayne when he said “both of us” shows that she doesn’t approve of him being further involved with the case, as becomes clear in a later scene.

Rigsby expresses how worried he is about his father. Steven brushes his son’s concern and questions on what happened with his own inquiry: “So tell me, boy or girl?” Rigsby is surprised that his dad knows he has a child. Senior informs him that his cousin told him Rigsby was expecting a child. Wayne then informs him he has a son named Ben. Steven asks:  “Is this little Ben’s momma over here? She purty,” about Lisbon.

-Now if Steven is any sort of criminal, then he knows Lisbon is a cop. Because, apparently, criminals have a sixth sense which helps them identify officers, as stated by this procedural (and other dramas) on numerous occasions. Therefore, despite how gorgeous Lisbon (Tunney) truly is, Steven here was just distracting Rigsby from asking questions. This is supported by his continued flirting.

Steven tells Lisbon “I gotta tell you, I could not work for a beautiful woman like you. It’s way too distracting. You dating anyone honey?” Lisbon, always the professional recognizes the compliments for what they are, a diversion, and continues questioning Steven over who shot him and the victim. Steven proceeds to take the flirtation to a lewd level before Rigsby steps in, trying to make him realize the seriousness of the situation. Steven replies “I don’t need you or any other government bitch fixing my problems.”

-So not only do we get a bunch of Lisbon love, but it’s done in a way that makes sense character-wise. Fans might recall Steven’s hot girlfriend, Rocket from his last episode. So it’s nice to see what he can be like when he decides to make his move via his flirting with Lisbon. It’s even more intriguing to see how that charm can quickly turn ugly, perhaps displaying Steven’s true colors when he calls both Rigsby and Lisbon government bitches. In this respect, like Violet pointed out, he was very reminiscent of Jane Think the team’s seafood dinner in the pilot: first Jane charms Grace and impresses her with his “magic” trick, then when she annoys him, he turns nasty and insults her by telling her to sleep with Rigsby. More on their similarities later…

Lisbon and Rigsby leave the hospital room. Rigsby is ready to continue working the case but Lisbon refuses. When he says he has to do something she starts to tell him that he can stay at the hospital but gets interrupts by Rigsby who tells her he won’t. Lisbon then tells him “I didn’t give you a choice,” before softening her tone and adding “It’s okay. Go home. See your kid.”

-I do love me some Rigsbon. These two are so awesome together and Harper writes them beautifully.  The last time I remember their brother/sister relationship being alluded to was, again, in Like a Red Headed Stepchild when Rigsby confessed that his father was a person of interest in a case the team was working. But while in that episode Lisbon kept him on the case (provided another team member accompanied him) she refuses to do so here. It makes sense, since this time Steven’s involvement is much more serious. It was awesome seeing Lisbon wear both the boss and friend hats so effectively, even when Rigsby didn’t want her to watch out for him. Her protectiveness will be revisited before the end of the episode, and more in this review as I suspect it will be a major topic this season…

VIS # 3 Jane and Lisbon question Samantha, the victim’s partner

Samantha (Daisy Eagan) tells Lisbon that she and Andy managed to avoid the allure of the gangs growing up, and that as that put them in the minority, they became friends and hence naturally went into business together.

-I may be overreaching here but the fact that the victim and his friend bonded over their plight reminded me of how Lisbon and Rigsby were both abused children and how it’s a possible explanation for the strength of their bond. Not that I imagine they ever talked about it…

Jane asks why Samantha isn’t surprised that the victim was with a criminal (Steven) at the time of his death. She states “family troubles”, and reveals the fact that the victims biological father was an Overton; a member of the gang family that controls half of Carson valley.  She adds that Andy’s mom left his father as soon as she realized what kind of man he was and raised her son completely on her own.

– Because of the many parallels drawn between the victim and Rigsby (good guys with criminal dad’s), I’m guessing this is pretty much how the situation was for Rigsby as well. We know his mother raised him, his dad told him that he gets his law-abiding ways from her.

– Because of the many parallels drawn between the victim and Rigsby (good guys with criminal dad’s), I’m guessing this is pretty much how the situation was for Rigsby as well. We know his mother raised him, his dad told him that he gets his law-abiding ways from her.

When Samantha states that Andy wasn’t close to the Overtones, Jane offers “But he couldn’t escape them either.” Samantha responds “Its family. You know how that is.”

– Yes, yes we do. We’ve seen Lisbon having Jane and her teammates’ backs because she considers them family. And we had Rigsby lying to provide an alibi for his abusive dad in episode Blood Sport. Then there’s Jane. I found his use of the word “escape” very interesting. His family has been dead about a decade and he still hasn’t been able to sever the bond he had with them. This conversation gives more support that the theme of family bonds, and what they cost, will be a major theme. Again, it will be revisited before the episode (and review) is over.

VIS # 4 Rigsby Defends the Team

LaRoche assumes that Lisbon invited Rigsby back on the case after Cho and Jane discovered that he’d disappeared from the hospital. Here, Rigsby adamantly says: “No, she didn’t invite me. She was reluctant, but I was insistent and she warned me to be very careful. I want that clear.” When LaRoche asks why Cho didn’t accompany Rigsby to the bar where his father was meeting his girlfriend, Wayne starts to say “We,” but quickly amends his statement to “I thought it was more likely that he would come quietly if I was alone.”

-Love how worried Rigsby was that his friends would get in trouble over his actions. Very in character. Also, I have to say that when the episode switched back to this scene in particular, I had been so into the plot that I completely forgot about Rigsby being arrested. That’s a good thing because, when not done well, viewers tend to zone out waiting for flashbacks to end. Not the case here.

VIS #5 Rigsby Meets his Dad

The episode switches back in time, to Rigsby going to the diner where his father was meeting his girlfriend. Senior refuses to go back to the hospital and tells Wayne he’s not leaving without a fight, to which Rigsby replies that he’s not fighting his father anymore and sits down to have a beer with his dad.

-We got another allusion to the last time the two men met. Also, Rigsby seems to have learned a few tricks from Jane. Him sitting down with his dad was a method to bide his time until he could get Steven to talk. This was illustrated by having this scene switching to Jane and Lisbon at this point, before switching back to the Rigsby’s, allowing for passage of time.

After drinking together for a while Rigsby calls out Steven on how he doesn’t know who shot him, because if he did he’d be hunting him down, as per his “code”. Steven then admits that he didn’t see anything; that he was at the scene to help the victim who told him someone threatened to burn his barber shop if he didn’t show up. Rigsby thanks his dad who then asks to see pictures of his grandson. He laughs at the baby pics and asks who the mom is. Rigsby tells him “We’re split up. Team was working a case, I faked my own death, she got mad, it’s complicated.”

-Am I the only one heartbroken at the news that Rigsby and cute and feisty Sarah have broken up? Worse, I’m now worried that this was done, to get Rigsby and Grace back together, only to have one of them killed leaving the other in agony over the death. It’s not total paranoia when you consider the hint the previous episode gave us that a team member will get killed. Or is it?

Steven tells Rigsby to not go too easy on his son, to which Rigsby replies: “No parenting advice, thanks.” His father tells him “What do you got to complain about. I did my job. You’re still here. You’re a man of respect. You walk around all over the place with a legit weapon. You got a handsome son. I did a good job.”  When Rigsby concedes the point his dad tells him, “Damn right,” reaching out to his hand, before adding “I could’ve drowned you at birth.”

-I’m hoping Steven here was just joking to offset his sudden burst of tenderness, rather than a revelation that the thought had actually crossed his mind to kill Wayne when he was born. Most likely, he was tacitly trying to show Rigsby that, despite how bad a father he was, he wasn’t that bad. I think Rigsby got the point. He’s forgiven his dad to the extent of allowing him to see his son, albeit reluctantly. Which makes the fact that he died before he was able to do so only more tragic.  Although, Steven’s statement saying that he goes when he decides to go, along with the song lyrics “I’d rather be dead,” hint that Steven simply wasn’t interested in the quiet living that would have kept him alive.

VIS # 5 Rigsby Kills his Dad’s Killer

I want to preface this section by pointing out how keyed up Rigsby was after his dad’s death, and his brief encounter with Jane and Cho at the elevator. Cho had told Rigsby “I know what you wanna do. You can’t do it. You didn’t like growing up with a dad in jail, Ben wouldn’t like it either.” Jane, by just seeing the two men’s stance knows exactly what they are talking about. Was his statement to Rigsby “Better let us handle this,” a genuine reiteration of Cho’s wise advice? Apparently not.

What I found very interesting was Rigsby’s motive for going after his father’s killer. He’d said to Cho:  “If I got shot, he would’ve found the man who pulled the trigger and taken care of it.”

This explains why by the book Rigsby is doing something as out of character as taking the law into his own hands. It might also indicate that Rigsby is not thinking clearly, after all, he is not his father. But grieving people aren’t exactly known for their sound judgment.

Now the way the scene was written, thankfully, needed for Moss to be put down. Rigsby’s use of lethal force was, as LaRoche says later, completely justified. What’s less clear is his presence at the scene in the first place.

VIS #6 Jane, Lisbon, and LaRoche’s Revelation

Jane sits as Lisbon’s desk as she writes up the paperwork on their case, telling her “You’re going to regret this someday,” meaning all the paperwork adding “It’s like cooking a beautiful meal, and then putting it straight in the refrigerator. Forever.”

-A few points here. First, Jane is back to trying to get Lisbon to rebel against the system. Could it be paperwork annoys him cause the more diligent Lisbon is the harder it’ll be to slip stuff through the cracks? Second, Jane’s statement recalls both his own questioning of the reason he’s at his current job, as well as a possibility of Lisbon feeling burned out (as hinted at in the last season). Third, Jane has evolved from keeping Lisbon company while lying on her couch to him being completely in her personal space, sitting on her desk. Not that Lisbon is complaining. I can still hear the J/L shipper’s squealing :). Finally, Jane’s use of the word “regret” reminded me of how Lisbon once called him one of her big regrets (see review for Every Rose Has its Thorn). Alone, this probably means nothing. But together with the theme of family heavily alluded to in this episode, it might be foreshadowing of a possible plot line in which Lisbon starts regretting ever bringing Jane into the fold of those she considers family. Should the writers choose to go there, it’s been very cleverly set up in this scene. How? Read on…

La Roche enters Lisbon’s office. She asks him what his report on Rigsby will say. I’m going to analyze the rest of the scene line by line as the dialogue was very crucial was it. Also, absolutely, utterly, devastatingly, perfect:

LaRoche: It will say that agent Rigsby acted appropriately and with sound judgment when he used lethal force against moss. (to Jane). Good work. You got away with it.

Jane: Me?

LaRoche: Well I can’t make a case, but you chose a remote location for the meeting, you set up a situation where Moss had to flee. And there, by chance, was Rigsby.

Jane: Well, I’m flattered. You flatter me. But I can’t take credit for that.

I love how Jane’s response to LaRoche’s accusations is always being bashfully flattered (Jolly Red Elf). But while it worked the last time, LaRoche has gotten to know him much better now, even if Lisbon (apparently) still hasn’t…

Lisbon: Moss didn’t have to run. I would’ve brought him in.

Lisbon has a point, but LaRoche’s rebuttal was much more effective:

LaRoche: The plan did require moss to put his own head in the noose. Small gamble, Jane had to make to keep everyone’s hands clean.

Poor Lisbon still refuses to acknowledge Jane’s evil genius:

Lisbon: Moss fired his gun.

It’s true that Moss didn’t have to fire his gun and escape, but it was natural considering that he had the heads of two separate mobs threatening him.

LaRoche: So you all say, course, Moss can’t tell his version. And now, Rigsby has taken perfectly legal revenge against the man who killed his father. Do you think it will affect him?

Now, up until this point Jane had deniability on his side. But LaRoche is smarter than your average bear. His question on whether Jane thinks Rigsby will be affected by revenge finally gets a response. But before we get into it, I just want to mention that by this point, Lisbon is gazing intently with a very hard to read expression at Jane. It seems like she’s either she’s trying to warn him from saying anything, or she’s trying to read his reaction, to see the effect LaRoche’s words are having on him; if his face reveals that they are true. If she had been in the dark about Jane’s actions, then Jane’s answer to LaRoche probably brought her to light:

Jane: Well I think it’s better to regret something you did than something you didn’t do.

I found Jane’s response to LaRoche to be very revealing, not only as a tacit admission of guilt. Jane, for all his mentalist abilities constantly forgets that not all people are like him. For example, I concede that he probably did what he did out of a genuine interest to help Rigsby out. But he’s forgetting that he and Rigsby are practically opposites, despite the fact that they were both raised by bad fathers. While revenge might work for Jane it might not necessarily work for Rigsby. Jane’s presumptuous interference, applying his motto, his religion to those around him without considering if it’s a right fit is one of the traits that annoys me the most about him. It’s a clear result of his ego, his belief that he knows best.  But what I’d love to see is for his “help” to backfire one day. Not just because I’m evil, but because the potential for character growth and introspection there is enough to make me drool. Hopefully, LaRoche’s words here are enough to get Jane thinking on his own without another tragedy forcing him to…

LaRoche: Perhaps. I suppose Rigsby will never know.

I love how J.J. here called Jane on his manipulating the situation. The subtext includes Jane’s manipulation of Rigsby’s pain to get the younger Rigsby to do something that he might have not done if he were in a calm state.

LaRoche: Agent Lisbon my report will reflect you made a mistake in calling agent Rigsby to the scene. An error in judgment.

Lisbon: Yes sir, it was.

As her MO, Lisbon is all too happy to take responsibility for Jane’s actions. And just in case I dropped the ball and didn’t realize that Jane was the one who called Rigsby…

Jane: Lisbon didn’t call Rigsby, I did.

…Jane helpfully tells us, following his MO of trying to protect Lisbon.

Lisbon: Jane!

LaRoche: Of course you did.

LaRoche is no dummy. He probably knew perfectly well that Jane called Rigsby and Lisbon is just protecting him by claiming she did. I see his refusal to acknowledge this truth is his way of succumbing to her wishes to protect her team. I’m just not sure why. Perhaps, like Hightower before him, he hopes Jane will behave better if he realizes that Lisbon will be held responsible for his actions.

Unless…unless…it really was *Lisbon* who called Rigsby? She’d told him that she’d let him know if they got a break in the case, so maybe she did? But even if that were true, no way she would have told Rigsby where the meeting was going to be. Jane probably did that, which is why he was so ready to take the blame.

LaRoche: Agent Lisbon, your instincts to protect your team are admirable, and your biggest flaw.

We have it in canon that this guy loves Lisbon (who doesn’t?). He got upset when she insulted him (Bloodstream) and he gave her a hug (Scarlett Ribbons). His statement her truly seemed like he was trying to look after her, protect her from herself. I find his behavior admirable, and not just because it annoyed Jane…

Jane: Yes, well we all have our flaws. Don’t we agent LaRoche?

Jane’s statement here is a not so subtle reminder to LaRoche that he knows a horrible secret LaRoche has (Strawberries and Cream) and his way of telling LaRoche his advice is not wanted. Jane does not want anyone influencing Lisbon and/or his relationship with her. It makes me wonder how he’d react if she ever gets a boyfriend.

Best Scenes

This was so hard to decide. Readers, please let me know what were your fav’s. There were so many good ones!

The winner: Jane, Lisbon, and LaRoche’s Revelation

First runner up: Rigsby and Ben, end scene.

Second Runner up: Rigsby, Steven and Lisbon at the hospital

Best Lines

“I’ll be back here”. Love self preservationist Jane. Always takes off when there’s danger (*cough*, unless Lisbon is involved, *cough*)

“Is this little Ben’s momma over here? She, purty.” What can I say, the guy’s got taste 🙂

“I gotta tell you, I could not work for a beautiful woman like you. It’s way too distracting. You dating anyone honey?” Seriously, I think my heart blew up at all the Lisbon love XD

“I didn’t give you a choice. It’s okay, go home. See your kid.” –Lisbon rocks.

“Yeah, well I ain’t fighting you anymore.”

Icings on the Cake

Jane trying to give Beltran a slap, the man refusing, and Lisbon’s “what the hell are you doing” face. By the way, the moment wasn’t in the script. Writer Jordan Harper on twitter said it was created by Simon Baker .

“Damn, you can never trust a woman.”-Steven, to Rigsby, about Rocket revealing his location.

“Not off to the greatest of starts”-Jane to the rivaling gang leaders, when they pull their guns on each other.

The entire end scene.

Honorable Mentions

Composer Blake Neely. There were many great tunes in this one but my favorite was the one which sneaked into LaRoche’s scene with Jane and Lisbon at the end. It provided a lot of subtext to the scene…

Owain Yeoman was truly wonderful in this episode. From the little hitch in his voice when he introduced Lisbon to his dad, to revealing how worried he was about him, then slyly getting him to reveal what happened; he pulled off all the facets of Rigsby’s character effortlessly. Finally, that heartbreaking scene at the end: crying as he held his son, taking comfort from the baby as he told him it was beautifully sad.

Pruitt Taylor Vince. The man is a rock star who rocks all his rocking character’s rocking scenes especially the ones where he’s rocking the truth about Jane in front of Lisbon.

Writer Jordan Harper. The case was very clever, the character interaction great, and the dialogue had many many layers. Truly excellent writing.

Director Anton Cropper did a great job keeping the story coherent. The hospital montage at the beginning and the chase were especially well done.

Pet Peeves

We never did find out how Steven knew the victim. Since Huff was a barber, I assume he was Steven’s barber. But it would’ve been nice if Rigsby’s dad had said something like: “Kid was my barber, asked me to help him out,” just to clarify Steven’s involvement further.

I feel terrible saying this, but Forsythe (whom I have great respect for as an actor) really grates on me as Steven’s dad. I don’t know what it is about his performance but there were a few instances that just made me cringe.


Like LaRoche, I question whether Rigsby will be unaffected by the fact that he killed a person. His “It’s okay” at the end of the episode to his son could have been said to reassure himself that he’ll get over his dad’s death. He could also been telling himself that he’ll be fine after he killed a man. Now Moss was a heartless criminal who killed an innocent man to start a mob war. And Rigsby killed him in pure self-defense. He is (almost) entirely blameless. But Wayne is undoubtedly the most tender-hearted of all the CBI team. The only reason he wanted revenge is because it’s what his dad would have done for him (based on what Rigsby told Cho). But Rigsby is very different from both his father and Jane. If Rigsby only killed Moss because he felt obliged to do so (for his father), as opposed to wanting to, then he might have a harder time dealing with the aftermath. We saw Grace’s PTSD last season after she killed Craig in self-defense. Will this season be about Rigsby getting over his own shoot out?

I don’t know. But if Jane’s actions do cause ramifications for Rigsby, then that raises a heck of a lot of possibilities. Violet elaborated how Rigsby managed to finally face his father when he fought him in Like a Red-Headed Stepchild. If Rigsby ever find out about how far Jane went to set the stage for his revenge, would he be thankful or resentful? Would he have a face-off with him too? I can only see that happening if Jane’s actions got one of the other team members (Grace?) hurt.

A more probable possibility comes to mind. This is where my theory of a possible plot in which Lisbon might regret bringing Jane into her CBI family comes into play. The victim in this episode couldn’t escape from his family any more than Rigsby could his dad. But there’s the family that we choose as opposed to the one we’re born with. The CBI is a family by choice. They look out for each other because they want to, not because they have to. La Roche tells Lisbon that her biggest flaw is protecting her team. I say, so far, the choices she’s had to make were arguably easy: Mother Teresa will always protect her children from outside influences. But until this point, she’d never had to protect them from each other; from Jane. Lisbon’s replies to LaRoche, denying Jane’s manipulation make it seem to me that she might not have known Jane was going to call Rigsby. One could argue it wouldn’t matter to her if he did, so ingrained is her instinct to defend him. But what about now, after LaRoche raised the possible emotional harm Jane’s interference might have on Rigsby?

I had hoped that LaRoche’s statements might serve to give Jane cause for thought. I’m going to hope they affect Lisbon too; that she take the rest of her team in consideration the next time Jane plots one of his schemes.

Realistically, though, I suspect she’ll continue with her “hand’s off” MO until Jane’s actions have real, far-reaching negative consequences. This is why the prospect that Jane might have inadvertently harmed Rigsby, Lisbon’s surrogate baby brother, is one that I find especially delicious. And now that I’ve probably depressed readers, here’s something to cheer you guys up…

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82 responses to “Mentalist Blood Feud Review

  • All-I-need

    So, I`ve picked a few of your comments out of the review and will comment them in my comment here (and that’s entirely too many comments, don’t comment on that…^^)

    >>”Samantha (Daisy Eagan) tells Lisbon that she and Andy managed to avoid the allure of the gangs growing up, and that as that put them in the minority, they became friends and hence naturally went into business together.
    -I may be overreaching here but the fact that the victim and his friend bonded over their plight reminded me of how Lisbon and Rigsby were both abused children and how it’s a possible explanation for the strength of their bond. Not that I imagine they ever talked about it…”<>”But grieving people aren’t exactly known for their sound judgment.”<<
    Best example: JANE. When has he EVER displayed sound judgment, except when it came to the selection of tea blends and couches? Point in case: those hideous rental shoes from last episode …
    Sorry, I couldn't help myself, I just need to make at least one dark-humored comment.

    Now, about Jane sitting on Lisbon's desk at the end of the episode:

    Not only was he intruding in her personal space (and yes, I did squeal), but I also had the very distinct feeling he was trying to talk her into calling it a night and maybe go out for a drink with him, but then got distracted by LaRoche. He told her she'd regret all the paperwork and staying late in the office every night (which would also be HILARIOUS if she actually took his advice and started dating Mancini – I bet Jane would *love* that…^^) and he was so close to her and we KNOW he loves her, so maybe he was actually trying to work up the nerve to ask her out? I'd like to think he was.

    Also, about who called Rigsby:
    Maybe it was Cho? I know he tried to talk Rigsby out of it, but maybe he thought Rigsby getting to watch as they arrest his father's killer (or even arresting him himself) would make him feel better. Of course Lisbon would then claim it was her who made the call to protect her team, making Jane claim it was him who did it to protect her in turn. He did promise to do that, after all.

    Maybe you are misreading the whole foreshadowing and this season is not so much about the CBI family being torn apart but rather about it growing closer together? Looking at the facts we've got: single Rigsby, still in love with VanPelt (and according to an interview I read there MIGHT be something in store for them towards the end of the season) Jane who already admitted he loves Lisbon, and Lisbon who is slowly coming to realize how much Jane actually means to her, and Cho and Rigsby considering to invite Jane on a guys night out and Jane fostering his friendship with Grace last episode with their little game …
    Maybe the season is about them sticking even closer together, withstanding all outside influences and forces (aka. FBI, Red John, criminals, etc.) because they are more like a family than many actual families ever manage to be (as evidenced by the fact that none of the team members actually seems to come from a steady family environment).

    Chizuru_Chibi's fanart is – as usually – absolutely amazing and SO CUTE!

    Little Benjamin is incredibly cute, too, and I am SO happy we finally got to "meet" him.
    This is actually one of my Pet Peeves: HOW ON EARTH could Sarah walk away from that? Fierce as she was in her job as an attorney, she seems to have a rather sweet personality. I just can't imagine her walking out on her son. Breaking up with Rigsby … okay, I get that, she was angry and had a right to be (and great way to explain why she's gone, too), but to leave her son behind? That shocked me, though I am of course happy Rigsby got to keep Benjamin.

    Favorite line: "Do not throw food at *nanny's name here* AGAIN …. Okay, I tried …" – Rigsby talking to his son and the nanny at the beginning of the episode. SO SWEET!

    I am looking forward to the next episode – seriously, who isn't?! And I can't wait to read your review on that one!

    This review here was great, by the way, and thank you especially much for the additional information about that scene Simon improvised! I don't have twitter, so I never hear about stuff like that but I also can't afford to have another distraction (especially now that it's almost NaNoWriMo) and I'm very glad you mentioned it here. That scene was hilarious. It looked to me like Lisbon was telling Jane: "too much" with the face she made. *laughs*

    Again, thanks for writing this wonderful review!

  • All-I-need

    Just realized I had another favorite line:
    “There was a man attached to this needle. Have you seen him?” – Jane to a nurse. I laughed so hard at that one! What a way to phrase a question…

  • reviewbrain

    I *knew* I forgot something! For the record, I don’t think Sarah left her son. It would make more sense to me that she and Rigsby have agreed to have joint custody; they keep him for an equal amount of days in the week.

    Okay, I’m in love with your theory that Jane wanted to ask Lisbon out. Just cause, well I don’t wanna say…
    About your theory of the team coming together, you’re probably right. But I find the prospect of friction more interesting. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part :p

  • JustMe

    I do love your reviews Brain, of course you either see an evil side to Jane I don’t or I like to think that he is moral but by his own standards. I don’t see Jane as inherently evil but he is capable of bad things for what he sees as the greater good. Am I making sense?

    I do think that Jane is definitely far more possessive and controlling as the years roll on of Lisbon to the point that he is almost caveman in a three piece suit. If one can be both, it would be him. But she also lets him. He ALWAYS positions himself between Lisbon and other men that he sees as threatening to their relationship. As you say, god forbid if she ever dates. Makes me think that he may have an inkling that Mancini is interested in her so he is going to make sure she stays where he thinks she belongs, which is with him and that is incredibly selfish. He can’t or won’t give her what she needs due to some odd sense that if he does RJ will target her more, but he won’t give her up either.

    I agree that Sarah wouldn’t leave Ben but shared custody so I just saw it as Rigsby’s week with Ben.

    I also noticed that this was an episode of family and how you can’t escape them. I think it is an allusion to all of them in the Serious Crimes and to their own relationships with each other. It also just shows what family will do for family and that it shows the strength of their bond. For good or bad, they will stand for each other with Jane and Lisbon as the ersatz parents. They have made their own family and it could also be to show that they only trust the ones on the team and I hope it is proven later in the year that it is a good thing that they do. I really don’t want their faith in each other shredded, tested yes, destroyed no.

    It was a great episode and I just wanted to put my two cents out there.

    I do have one pet peeve, when Laroche said that it was the word of the team that Moss fired his gun, woudln’t there have been gun powder residue all over the corpse that they could have tested for instead of Laroche being so nasty to them? I think that Jane did call Rigsby but it was out of his inherent naivete and not a malevolent need for Rigsby to get his revenge. I still think Jane has his own morality that is very black and white but how he gets to what he sees as justice, is alot of shades of grey.

  • reviewbrain

    Hmm. Could it be La Roche thinks Jane (or the team) might have faked the evidence? Shot off Moss’s gun *after* they killed him? I wouldn’t blame him if he did. Jane’s planted evidence before.
    It’s not that I think Jane is evil. But his being so hung up on his own moral code and his general disdain of the law and people who actually respect it annoys me to know end. Jane naive? I adore the thought. I just don’t think it likely as it as the writers tend to prefer to focus on his all-knowing jerkiness. Could it be the reason Jane was annoyed with La Roche is because, like me, he assumed the worst of him? I love the prospect. Truly I do. I’m just not sure given all that we know about Jane’s love for revenge, that it’s that realistic. I’m going to need more proof before I believe it. I love the guy, which is why I want to see him grow past his egotistic and manipulative behavior. If you’re right then maybe he’s already started to. I hope so. I’ve been wrong before 🙂

  • Cece

    LaRooooooooche! Yes! Like you, I love his character and he is welcome back any time. The man absolutely has Jane’s number and I like that there is at least one person on the show who does. The scenario LaRoche described had not occurred to me but as soon as he shared it it made perfect sense. He was absolutely right. About everything. Everything. ITA with you about your frustration with Jane’s presumption that Rigsby would want the same kind of vengeance that he does. Papa Rigsby had just died. Poor Rigsby was overcome with grief and anger on top of all of his very complicated previously held emotions regarding their relationship, or non-relationship as the case may be. I don’t think a Rigsby whose emotions weren’t running so high would do anything to jeopardize his ability to be a good and *present* father to Ben. That was made clear, IMHO, prior to Steve Rigsby’s death, when Rigsby remarked that he wasn’t interested (quite rightly) in any parenting advice from him. It’s doubtful the show will follow up with it, but I do wonder how Rigsby would feel about his actions and the situation in the long term, once the dust settles.

    Who called Rigsby? Jane. Definitely Jane. Cho demonstrated full well earlier in the episode that while he understood Rigsby’s desire for revenge, he knew beyond a doubt what Rigsby’s long term priority is- being there for his son, being the type of father that he himself never had. Lisbon *may* have called Rigsby after they arrested Moss and allowed him to watch Moss being questioned but not before that. It had to have been Jane.

    I’m of two minds about Rigsby and Sarah’s breakup. I like Sarah. I liked them together. It was nice for at least one of the team to be in a healthy long term relationship, especially one that could occur mostly off-screen, since Cho/Rigs/Van Pelt don’t get very much time devoted to their characters’ personal lives. Their relationship had the side benefit of keeping Rigsby and Van Pelt as just friends. I didn’t care for their relationship, at least as it was written, and it made me like their characters less. That said, I’m glad that there has been some personal fall out for at least someone on the team because of the fake shooting/Vegas escapade. Rigsby let Sarah believe he’d had his face blown off by a former co-worker for days. That’s horrible. I’m hopeful that we’ll get to at least hear, if not see, more about this, but realistic that it probably won’t happen.

    Great review. I’m not sure I agree with some of the stuff you think is being foreshadowed, but I always like it when people are bold enough to make prognostications. It’s so fun down the line to see what comes true and what doesn’t. Can’t wait for your Red Dawn review! I expect it will give you the opportunity to opine at length:)

  • reviewbrain

    Let’s just hope I survive writing about it XD thanks for the comment!

  • julie

    Great review as always. Just a couple of things. I have a different take on the restaurant scene in the pilot. I have always figured that Jane was getting back at Rigsby by embarrassing him because Rigsby had come to Grace’s defence when discussing psychics I had never thought it was Grace he was targeting.
    Rigsby didn’t have to come to the meeting and he didn’t have to make chase. As it happened Rigsby wasn’t given any choice as to whether to shoot or not, It would be interesting to see what would have happened had he been given that choice. If Jane is so all knowing that he knew exactly how everyone was going to react at the meeting then I think he would know enough about Rigsby as how he will be effected by his actions.

    In the Cho episode Jane talked him out of taking revenge as he knew that Cho would be in trouble and throw away all that he had worked for. In fact Jane forced himself on Cho to stop him from doing just that. So has Jane changed since that episode? Does he care less for Rigsby?

    I think Rigsby’s tears were for the loss of his Dad and not for what he had done as I don’t think he had any choice and can console himself that it was him that was put in danger and not any one else on the team.

    I have always found the episodes that have concentrated on the someone else on the team some of the weaker episodes but not this one. There was enough Jane in here and Owain did a great job and really stood up to the plate in this episode.

    It was also wonderful to have LaRoache back Jane and him together is a wonder to behold. Loved the bringing up of the tupperware incident. Sad that his return only gave us two scenes with Jane though.

    Thanks to the art work and review and the one hundreth episode is almost upon us. My only question with that is, that since they have brought it forward a week doesn’t that make it the 99th for us. I presume it will go back to it’s original position on the dvd. Will it be the 5th or 6th episode when it airs in the UK.

  • JustMe

    Oh he is an all knowing jerk with a capital “J” but he is also childlike and childish at tmes, not too far to think that he may have misread the situation with Rigsby. He may honestly have thought that Rigsby would want in on the collar but the death of Moss was not something he planned for.
    Of course Jane would never admit to being wrong about his plan or his motives but he isn’t infallible.

    I think that has been proven more than once when his plans go wrong. Like all of last year. For as much as he tried to hide RJ’s being alive, it still came out. He is just arrogant enough to say he planned it that way. Sorta like PeeWee Herman standing up in the first Pee Wee Herman Adventure after coming unstuck from the bike and saying “I meant to do that.”

    I bet that was a correlation that no one would have ever thought would happen, Pee Wee Herman and Patrick Jane… LOL

    Anyway I have my rose coloured glasses on and think that Jane’s morality is more along the lines of Hamurabi’s Laws from the Old Testament, eye for and eye and all that. I know alot of people who share that view but aren’t nearly as cunning or have the occasion to make it so.

  • zee

    Hello Reviewbrain,

    After fist-punching in the air upon seeing LaRoche back, I have decided this was the second best, if not on par, character centric episode yet! (Lisbon-centric episode was a favorite too.)

    Rigsby Taking Legal Revenge
    > LaRoche: Perhaps. I suppose Rigsby will never know.<

    I think he knew from the start.

    From the point when Senior Rigsby died, let alone being injured, Rigsby wanted to avenge his dad. I find the elevator scene crucial because once Jane exit through the doors, there was an unspoken decision of making Rigsby irrational and illegal actions into justifiably legal revenge.

    It was also an allusion to the episode " Blood In Blood Out" where Cho asked Jane's help for revenge. Not to mention, even Lisbon gave her support, albeit reluctantly.

    However, Rigsby revenge blurs the moral lines. His cold delivery to the Moss " Steven Rigsby says, Hi." confirms Rigsby clear intentions and streaks of violent nature in him. Hard to say if we might get some PTSD episodes…

    On a lighter note, Jane always had a fascination for badassery gangs. Episode "Red Bulls", " Blood In Blood Out" and " Bloodhounds" had him acting 'gangsta cop', making up cheesy nicknames, and rapping, respectively. 😀

  • Julie

    Althought Zee I disagree that Cho asked Jane to come along on his quest for revenge. You do make a good point about Rigsby violent streak which we were first introduced to in Russett potatoes when he was hypnotised and smashed the guys head into the table.

  • violet

    Wow, I love that review! You made a lot of very interesting points… And the artwork is so freaking adorable, why don’t we just see a scene like that on the show? 🙂

    First of all, about the “family” matter: you’re right, the family bond were certainly also an illustration of the relationships within the team. I found it particularly touching how Rigbsy’s colleagues cared for him, not only when they expressed their condolences: Grace’s heartfelt hug, Cho’s worry, Lisbon trying to keep him out of trouble, Jane trying to help him (and almost getting him in trouble). I don’t know if Jane’s actions will threaten this bond or if they will strengthen it, both are possible and plausible, since we are shown in the same ep that the latest big stunt had consequences (Sarah didn’t forgive Wayne). At the same time, I don’t know either if someone will die as the black ants seemed to announce. That bad omen was imagined by Jane in his hallucinated state: couldn’t it be that he fears that someone close to him will be targeted? Given that RJ is keeping an eye on them and that a mole is looming over them, it would be a very normal reaction to feel threatened.

    Also, I don’t know if Jane planned Rigsby’s revenge as meticulously as Laroche implied. It was definitely him who called Rigsby, and yes, he put the killer in a dangerous enough situation to run. But, I’d rather think that his idea was to give Rigby an opportunity: if he wanted to coldly shoot the murderer, he could; if he finally chose to stay in the shadows until the end, it was up to him. He couldn’t know that Wayne would run after the guy to arrest him and, even if he was indeed counting on his cop instincts, he couldn’t be sure that he’d be the first to get him. It may very well be wishful thinking, but I wonder if Jane didn’t want to give his friend an opportunity to get closure more than revenge. Whether that worked is another story.

    Last point:“Steven tells Lisbon “I gotta tell you, I could not work for a beautiful woman like you. It’s way too distracting. You dating anyone honey?”. And that officially makes it the third time in almost so many episodes this question is asked after the “I’m not your girlfriend” Lisbon shouted at Jane and Charlotte’s inquiry. Foreshadowing, someone?

    I really liked this ep and you made it justice. Once again, thanks for your hard work!

  • violet

    @All-I-Need: your idea that “maybe he was actually trying to work up the nerve to ask her out” at the end seems spot on. After all, it’s unlikely that they got to eat their usual closed case pizza after Rigsby’s loss and Laroche’s investigation. And Jane not so subtly alluding to a “beautiful meal”… I’m sure he was asking her to come and celebrate the closing of this hard case with him, at least as colleagues.

  • violet

    I totally agree with you, Zee and Julie. There was a mix of cop instincts and revenge in his reaction to the killer. It shows his violence streak, indeed, but also Jane’s ambiguous influence. After getting close to him, even deeply moral characters as Wayne tend to enter a grey zone when personal feelings are involved and the situation seems justified.

  • novellastories

    Thanks for the review, as always, it gives material to discuss on.
    And the artwork is just so lovely, as I imagine Jane would be like with Ben 🙂

    I have to cheer with you about JJ’s comeback. I love that character so very much! He’s just so mysterious, yet you can’t fully dislike him, on the contrary. And I loved how they “used” LaRoche’s interaction with Jane and Lisbon at the end to explain to the viewers Jane’s plan. It was nice. Maybe not all viewers are such diehard fans who are used to suspect Jane for everything so, having LaRoche here explaining what happend… it was nice.
    Because I’m sure what LaRoche said is what happened.
    I think that *maybe* under other circumstances, Rigsby wouldn’t have killed his father’s killer. Or maybe, even Rigsby has a “darker” side that the pain and the anger made come to surface. I don’t know, I always thought of Rigsby as a person who wouldn’t use violence against someone for revenge. But technically here, it was self defence. Very clever indeed.
    I just hope Risgby will be fine, that having his baby boy around will help him to find some kind of peace. He has a lil kid who deserves to have a good dad, and I’m sure Rigsby will do his best for him. I think if the killing affected him, Ben will be his saving grace. Kids are a saving grace in general, right? 😉
    About the J/L convo before LaRoched arrived, I think Jane is just trying to get close to his friends again. I see his interactions with Rigs and Cho, then last week with Van Pelt, and now with Lisbon as way to get close again, after his “trip” to Vegas. I’m sure he missed having them around. I don’t see that scene as a way to express his romantic love for her. The desire to have her around, bantering and just having that routine again? That’s sure, at least for me.

    I was sad too about Sarah. I never shipped Rigsby and Van Pelt, I thought their romantic relationship ruined that cute funny tension that there was between the two of them in S! (*cough J/L *cough*). So I hope that they won’t make those two go back to that path.
    I think too Sarah and Risgby share the custody of Ben, I can’t imagine Sarah leaving her baby like that.

    You mentioned in your review the theme of the family. The one you choose. That made think of what Risgby did in S4 finale. He made believe Sarah that he was dead, with a lil kid to take care of. If you think about it, that’s pretty awful. But of course: Jane needed help > Lisbon went to help him > the team followed Lisbon. Family. You just do what you have to do. They went through so much together that it is impossible to think one of the team leaving the other alone.

    It was also mentioned in S4 by Osvaldo Ardiles (I hope I did spell his name right) that the problem with Lisbon and her desire to protect the team is … Lisbon. He said that to her, and now LaRoche says almost the same thing. I’m really looking forward to seeing what this means, because the continuity of this can’t be just casual.
    I think that for Lisbon, Jane and the team are priority. Their safety comes first. Of course I think that Jane influenced the team’s actions very much. But this is what happens when you live close together with someone else, someone who has a strong personality.
    I’d like to see Lisbon questioning her choises too.

    Also, I really hope they will make LaRoche the boss. But, only if he can survive the season… I want to have LaRoche around, he’s like a quiet, silent observer who doesen’ miss a thing.

    I loved the team’s interaction with Risgby, all of them. They were there for Risgby. Lisbon at the hospital, and then VP’s hug, Cho talking to him. It was really sweet. Now I hope for a meeting between the team and little Ben 🙂

  • rita

    Great review, and the art work……siiighhhhh!! big goofy grin.

    Hats of the Owain for this episode, he has fleshed out Rigsby’s character perfectly.

    I assumed that Sarah & Rigsby were sharing custody of Ben, it hadn’t occured to me that Rigsby may be bringing him up alone. I have to admit I found Sarah a bit…..irritating in the last episode we saw….but that is just me.

    It WAS great to see JJ again, I miss him so….I wish he would come back as head of the unit, that would keep Jane on his toes. I thought that Lisbon had rung Rigsby to tell him of the impending arrest. I then surmised that Rigsby, knowing that Lisbon wouldn’t tell him where the meet would take place, would ring Jane, knowing that he would tell him and let him make his own choice as to whether to be there or not. I think that would be in Jane’s character….sort of here is the information….do what you want with it!

    I hope that Jane WAS toying with the idea of having dinner with Lisbon, it is about time those two had a bit of fun…I mean JUST dinner!!!!!

    Great stuff you have given me lots to think about, I will now have to go and watch again.

  • Arco

    Enjoyed the review & the art work.

    The return of LaRoche! Yeah! I hope that he stays on. Lisbon has been sorely lacking in someone to protect her from Jane since Wainwright took over. Minelli & Hightower understood what was going on with the team, but Wainwright was so busy with his academic theories & so detached, he never bothered to see how Jane affects the team, especially Lisbon. Of course, if LaRoche stays, then you have the interesting situation of two men (not speaking romantically), holding diametrically opposed views of what they think is best for Lisbon & acting on that–which does not allow her to decide for herself. Right now, though, Lisbon is acting as Jane’s enabler. As others have brought up, Rigsby & Sarah broke up because Rigsby was supporting Lisbon in Jane’s Red John plan. That really is a high cost for Rigsby to pay–& some of the blame has to fall on Lisbon.

    The first time that I saw this episode, I was very taken aback at how angry LaRoche was. I didn’t think that Jane engineered the revenge. Then when I watched it a second time, I realized that LaRoche hit the nail on the head. He had a very good point that Jane had done what he had thought was best for Rigsby regarding the revenge scheme. That was exploitive considering the emotional state that Rigsby was in at the time.

    Cho was surprised when Rigsby showed up at the gym so Cho didn’t call him to the scene, but instead of keeping Rigs with him, Cho tells Rigsby that everyone is inside. When Rigs goes in, he remains hidden & waits for Lisbon & Jane to leave, which is why Rigsby winds up in the position to be first to get to Moss. One thing that I wondered about was that, after the shooting, when she sees Rigsby, Lisbon didn’t say something like, “Rigsby, why are you here?” Maybe she had already guessed that either Cho or Jane had called Rigsby.

    Jane is a user & manipulator. I can see further trouble for Lisbon if something doesn’t change in the team dynamic.

    Yes, it was strange to see Jane park his butt on Lisbon’s desk instead of sitting sedately on the sofa (enough alliteration there?). Definitely invading her personal space.

  • Kuhlama

    Hi : )
    Love your blog!!! It helps me a lot to understand the episodes better.

    Where do you get all that information from ( like (maybe) anyone from the team will get killed this season) ??
    Google didn’t help me, so I’m getting all my information second handed by you. Keep up the good work !!!

  • reviewbrain

    Thank you!
    It’s not information, just my analysis based on episode the Devil’s Cherry 🙂

  • hardly_loquacious

    Note: This comment is going to be a bit all over the place.

    So, I am not wild about this episode as everyone else seems to be. I don’t *dislike* it certainly, and it has its good moments. But when I was watching it, I just wasn’t that invested in parts of it. For example, the scene where father and son were supposed to be bonding in the bar? I didn’t connect with it at all. It was very blah for me. As bonding moments go, that could have been better. I just generally didn’t invest in the whole Rigsby plotline, and so the final scene of him and Ben didn’t really do anything for me.

    Although, Ben is adorable, and I did love Rigsby’s dynamic with him.

    I did like the return of LaRoche. I’ve missed him. I really started to get into the character right before he left. I do like his dynamic with Lisbon.

    I also liked the Rigsby/Lisbon scenes at the hospital. She was just the right mixture of sympathetic, supportive, and his boss. She was willing to support him as much as he needed, and was gentle about it, but she wasn’t going to let him work the case, because of his connection to it. Her reaction to Rigsby senior’s comments was pretty perfect too. Really loved the hospital scenes.

    I also liked that two team members stepped in to protect Lisbon in this episode. That really stood out, because usually her team is perfectly content to just let her take the bullets for them.

    I was originally sad that Rigsby and Sarah broke up, but then I decided it was probably for the best, because show is almost certainly going to go the Rigsby/Van Pelt route again, and I’d much rather that Sarah’s not in the middle of that, when it eventually happens.

    I also really liked Cho telling Rigsby to stay away from the case for Ben’s sake. Go Cho! That was a good moment.

    I also totally thought that Jane was hinting that Lisbon would do better to spend the odd evening with him. Don’t think he was thinking of it in terms of ‘asking her out,’ but that’s effectively what it would amount to. (Also, those two have always been way in each other’s personal space. The frequency may have increased, but the dynamic’s always been there.)

    That last scene was well-played. And interesting. I don’t think Lisbon was trying to warn Jane from saying something though. For one, I think she’s given up on trying to do that. Jane will say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. I think she was trying to read *him,* reminiscent of the premiere when she listened in on his conversation with Lorelei. I kinda think this is all part of her new push to take control of the situation a bit more (her protectiveness of her team probably ties into that as well).

    Jane’s manipulation is definitely problematic. Because Jane didn’t do what was best for Rigsby. He did what he (Jane) *thought* was best for Rigsby. Or what Jane would have considered best had he been in that position. I don’t think shooting his father’s killer is in Rigsby’s best interests at all. Which is another reason I wasn’t wild about the episode. In the last episode with Rigsby Sr, we have Rigsby walking away from a fight with his father after refusing to finish it, in effect stepping away from his father’s lifestyle. In this one, we have Rigsby taking up his father’s code, essentially. It feels like a regression. Yes, Rigsby’s shooting was justified. And yes, had the situation gone differently, maybe he would have brought the guy in. (Given Jane’s manipulation, we’ll never know.) But I kinda doubt it, the way they set up the episode. I just, I didn’t like it.

    I did love, “Agent Lisbon, your instincts to protect your team are admirable, and your biggest flaw.” Because, so true. It’s a lovely trait, even if sometimes I want to shake her for it.

    Also, I suspect that while Jane knows LaRoche *has* a horrible secret, he doesn’t quite know what it is. But he knows that if he hints at it, LaRoche will think he does.

    And my other issue with this ep, is that much as I loved the last scene and thought it was well done, it had the effect of again making the whole thing all about Jane. Which, I do get that he’s the main character, but it grates when they do that *all* the time. I would have preferred had there been a scene that was more Rigsby-focused.

    Also, love the CBI family photos!

  • Sid

    Jane indicated the gym man was the guy midway through the episode, when he scoffed at the idea of the “rehabilitated man”

  • hardly_loquacious

    Totally agree that Jane was probably working up to hinting around to getting Lisbon to spend more time with him in the evenings. Not sure that he was going to start *that* night. But I sensed the start of a subtle campaign. That was my immediate thought upon watching the ep. That he was telling her she needed to spend more time out of the office, and was going to try and sneak in the “with him” bit.

  • hardly_loquacious

    I think I want friction, but not as much friction as your theory requires. A little more would be good, particularly from Lisbon, but I don’t want it to be world-shaking.

  • hardly_loquacious

    I agree with you about the pet peeve, because not only would there have been gunshot residue, butt here would have been bullets, one would assume. After all, he fired that gun more than once. Even if the gunshot residue on hands could have been faked, surely it would have been a little difficult to fake the bullets everywhere, even if they didn’t find them all.

  • Sid


    you to Jane is as LaRoche is to Wayne Rigsby.

    LaRoche is always trying to pin something on Rigsby. He’s the one that comes off as evil in this episode, not Jane. LaRoche basically accused Rigsby of lying and the team of covering for him, and he’s disappointed because he can’t prove it. There’s nothing he’d enjoy more than putting Rigsby in jail, as we’ve seen three different times on the show. Whether you like the actor Vince or whatever is one thing, but it’s hard to like the character given his actions on the show.

    As for Jane, he’s nothing like Steven Rigsby. Steven Rigsby is a criminal who thought violence was the answer to everything. Jane is a guy who donates his time and immense talents to helping others. One of the running themes throughout the Mentalist is how, more than anyone else, Jane goes above and beyond in trying to help people, and he does it anonymously. He also works for the CBI for not very much compensation. He doesn’t even get a real salary, unlike the others (and in marked contrast to an incompetent like Wainwright the worthless bureaucrat).

    Steven Rigsby didn’t appear to care for his family at all (until we finally saw a glimpse that he was a little curious about his grandchild). Jane’s priority was his family.

    Jane’s great “crime” in this episode was giving Rigsby the opportunity.

    He didn’t force Moss to try and run.

    He didn’t prevent Lisbon and the other cops from preventing him from escaping.

    He didn’t force Moss to try and murder Rigsby (it’s one thing to run, another to shoot a cop).

    He didn’t force Rigsby to shoot back.

    All he did was allow Rigsby to take the opportunity if he wanted it. You’re acting like he held Rigsby at gunpoint and forced him to shoot Moss in cold blood.

    And finally, re: your reference to Van Pelt and Jane. Van Pelt was far more hurtful to Jane than he ever was to her, given her cruel comments to him about his family.

  • Sid

    not just the gun powder residue, but the casings. Moss fired several times at Rigsby, and even an evil SOB like LaRoche can’t deny that Moss was shooting.

  • Sid

    heh, I was beaten to it by hardly loquacious

  • Sid

    “I have always figured that Jane was getting back at Rigsby by embarrassing him because Rigsby had come to Grace’s defence when discussing psychics I had never thought it was Grace he was targeting.”

    Agreed. Basically, Rigsby was being a buffoon. He knew Jane was right but he wanted to get into VP’s “good graces” by siding with her. Essentially, Jane was calling him on his BS.

    What Jane nearly always does is make observations, and he’s almost always correct (in fact, I’ve yet to see him be wrong about character observations). Sure, he says them in a callous way, but the reactions are merely because people cannot stand or handle the truth.

  • violet

    “Steven Rigsby is a criminal who thought violence was the answer to everything. Jane is a guy who donates his time and immense talents to helping others.” Huh? Are we watching the same show? The one about the manipulative obsessed widower who sneaks his way into the legal system to catch and kill his family’s murderer?

    “He doesn’t even get a real salary, unlike the others (and in marked contrast to an incompetent like Wainwright the worthless bureaucrat).” Again, huh? That’s new…

    So, if I resume your version: LaRoche “comes off as evil”, but not because he has an unknown dark secret, no, just because he’s persecuting poor Rigsby, “always trying to pin something” on him. Now, he’s doing his job and trying 1) to unmask a liar (Rigsby and his false alibi for his father), 2) to investigate to find who put a prisoner on fire in cold-blood (that was what he was doing the second time, remember?), 3) to ask questions about a possible murderer (no witnesses for Rigsby when he shoot his dad’s killer) and all those things are pure and true “evil” indeed. It’s totally his fault that twice it was Rigsby who got himself in trouble by helping out his father. And that hug he gave Lisbon sometime ago? Very, very bad guy…

    “All he did was allow Rigsby to take the opportunity if he wanted it. You’re acting like he held Rigsby at gunpoint and forced him to shoot Moss in cold blood.” You’re right, Jane never *forces* people to do what he wants, he just *tricks* them. Slyly manipulating people around him is far more moral than getting his own hands dirty, isn’t it?

  • reviewbrain

    At this point, I’d take any sort of friction 😉

  • reviewbrain

    Fair enough. But if CSI taught us anything is that collecting crime scene evidence takes time. And even when it’s been done you have to wait for ballistics and trace people to go through that evidence. And even when *that* comes out clearing the team of any wrong doing, I really wouldn’t blame La Roche of his suspicions that Jane (and yes even members of the team) might have planted evidence. We *know* Jane’s done it before. We *know* Lisbon’s sat silently knowing that he’s done it. And La Roche knows she’d protect her team no matter what. Even if it’s sitting on the fact that Rigsby’s brutal streak coupled with Jane’s influence made him seek revenge. It’s not true, the circumstances (helped by Jane) just happened to make it possible for Rigsby to shoot Moss in self defense. But I can absolutely see why La Roche might not believe either Lisbon or Jane. Simply put: history.

  • violet

    Just realized LaRoche interrogated Rigsby about his lie in ‘Bloodsport” when he was investigating Todd’s death. So when was the second time?

  • reviewbrain

    I just want to point out tht in both instances Rigsby wasn’t thinking clearly. You might recall that the actual hypnosis was done to get Rigsby to kill the man. But Rigsby only smashed his head in because killing an innocent man went beyond his moral character (watch the episode again if you can). In this episode, well, there’s a reason Lisbon told Rigsby to go on bereavement leave. Grief and anger cloud’s people’s judgement. The fact that Rigsby told Moss “Steven Rigsby says hi” is proof of that. Moss wasn’t after Steven. I doubt he even knew him. Even Jane said he wasn’t a primary target. The target was Huff. I’m not so sure tht a rational, less grieving Rigsby without knowledge of where the crime scene was at wouldn’t have been satisfied to see
    the team arrest Moss, then get threats penalty as the case would’ve been a slam dunk.

  • reviewbrain

    Thank you oh so much for your comment! It’s nice to see I’m not the only one who bought La Roche’s explanation. I too would live to see him as the new boss because, despite how he comes off I think he genuinely likes the team (yes, even Jane) and wants to save them from themselves. But like you said, only if he’s kept alive.

  • reviewbrain

    I agree with your theory. I can see it happening and while I’m not sure I approve of Jane giving Rigsby the address in any situation (he was grieving!)! your description, of Rigsby actively seeking the place would put Jane in a far better light, make him seem much less manipulative than if he’d offered the information to Rigsby without the latter asking for it first. Really like that idea.

  • reviewbrain

    “That was exploitive considering the state Rigsby was in at the time.” Thank you!

    You know a few people mentioned how Jane’s actions led to Rigsby and Sarah breaking up. Now that I think about it, why couldn’t have Cho been the one to fake his own death?

    Probably cause the writers wanted a reason to split Sarah and Rigsby up :-/

    But I can’t blame Jane there, nor Rigsby for helping him. Anyone who dates any member of the CBI has to realize that these people will look out for each other no matter what. It’s sad that Sarah couldn’t handle that. But you can’t blame her either. I love all the grey in this series. Most of the time…

  • violet

    I assumed it had to be Rigsby because he was taller. If they decided to use the only corpse they could get their hands on (the victim who committed suicide), they had to use Rigsby. Cho was too small compared to the dead guy (and Rigsby a little too tall, that was what tipped off Darcy at the end). But it was pretty convenient for the writers for getting rid of Sarah, indeed.

  • reviewbrain

    “Jane didn’t do what was best for Rigsby. He did what he (Jane) *thought* was best for Rigsby.”

    Thank you! I agree that the two things are not necessarily the same!

    I just wanted to point out the episode ended with Rigsby holding his son, listening to his dad’s favorite song, so I actually did end up focused on Rigsby. Considering this show is basically about Jane I thought that was pretty good.

    Could it be that you didn’t get into Rgsby’s plot because of forsythe’s acting of Steven ? Just wondering because it was the only thing that gave me similar feelings to yours, though I still loved it..

  • reviewbrain

    I like La Roche because I respect his character. He’s just trying to do his job. He’s as smart as Jane is, and I genuinely believe he cares for the team, in his own way.

    Van Pelt didn’t mean to hurt Jane. She was expressing a possibility based on her belief system. And she apologized for it when she saw that it hurt him.

    Jane on the other hand, put Grace on a potentially dangerous horse (season 3, Red ponies) She might’ve gotten killed. But people forget these things cause he’s charming. I love the guy. But just cause I do doesn’t mean I’m going to turn a blind eye to his flaws.

    I know Jane wants to help people. Iveacknowledged in the review that he had Rigsby’s interests in mind. I just wish he’d consider that what might work for him doesn’t necessarily work for others.

  • Sid

    Jane has good and bad like most people.

    Sometimes he does things that are wrong, but he goes out of his way to help people throughout the series, more than all the other characters combined.

    Just seems to me that there’s a lot of dumping on Jane. I’ve never seen a post about all the times where at the end of episodes he anonymously helps people. Is/was Steven Rigsby that kind of person? He turned his back on his own family.

    This was like when Jane got compared to Red John.

  • Sid

    as for LaRoche, I dislike him because it seems to me that he’s more than “doing his job.”

    Remember him claiming Rigsby is a criminal because of his father and that whole conversation? Or this time, when it was pretty clear that Rigsby was acting in self-defense, but he chose to make it clear that he thought they were all lying to him? “So you say” in response to self defense.

    What Jane did with Van Pelt and the horse wasn’t right, and who forgets it because he’s charming? Not on this blog. He did it because he acts based on his “hunches” which are almost always right, but obviously it’s not right to put someone at risk based on that.

    What Jane did here I find it hard to fault him for. He gave Rigsby a choice and an opportunity. There’s a difference between that and him forcing people to do things.

  • reviewbrain

    It’s true that Jane’s helped a lot of people. It’s not true that I don’t mention it. And just to be clear I couldn’t be happier when Jane does something unequivocally good. Bloodstream is an example, Red Gold is another one. Go back read the episodes where he does do good stuff, and you’ll definitely see them mentioned. The thing is, Jane’s behavior is becoming increasingly questionable. In turn, the posts are becoming increasingly analytical. There really isn’t anything to analyze about Jane helping someone out. It is what it is, charity. But him possibly manipulating Rigsby? That is cause for a lot of analysis and discussion. But you really got me thinking. When was the last time that Jane helped someone out *without* breaking the law? That wasn’t part of his job? I honestly can’t remember.

  • reviewbrain

    La Roche didn’t claim Rigsby was a criminal. He cited a scientific study which found that criminal behavior is hereditary. He was investigating Rigsby because he’d lied to provide an alibi for his father.
    And while Rigsby is “clearly innocent” to us because we saw the situation go down, La Roche had no such privilege.
    And blaming La Roche for going overboard in his job…when you admire the exact same qualities in Jane? This is exactly what I’m talking about when I meant people cut Jane slack cause he’s charming.
    You may see a difference between manipulating people and forcing them to actually do something. And you’re right, there is. But I dont feel that difference is big enough when it comes to someone as smart as Jane. I hold him to a higher standard because his mentalist abilities give him an unfair advantage.

  • Arco

    Indeed, Cho (not sure of his height) was probably closer to the dead guy’s height (5’11”). I think that Rigsby is 6’4″. My guess was that Rigsby was picked to be the dead guy to bring about the breakup with Sarah. I did wonder about something. The dead guy was wearing casual clothes when he was found. That meant that he had to be redressed in a suit to be mistaken for Rigsby. So I wonder where the team got the clothes. I think that Jane might be of similar size, but those clothes weren’t his type. Guess someone must have gone out & bought an outfit–& buying clothes that would fit the dead guy, in absentia, would have been a bit of a problem, I would think. Yeah, I’m probably overthinking this.

  • Arco

    The doing what Jane thought was best for Rigsby … I go back to the church scene in “The Crimson Hat,” in which Jane portrays God. Despite his expressed antireligious views, he likes to “play” God & meddle in other people’s lives–notably, of course, his team’s. I notice that he has often challenged Grace on her religion but rarely does so to Lisbon who also obviously has strongly held religious beliefs (those beliefs being another barrier, I would think, to a Jane-Lisbon relationship). Maybe just a case that Grace is more likely to take the bait & react to his provocation than Lisbon?

  • Arco

    And you could argue that Jane’s help is questionable much of the time. For example, when Jane is assigned to Haffner’s replacement CBI team, Jane sabotages the team (including planting fake evidence), although those guys had done nothing wrong, to get Lisbon back. So Jane did a bad thing to innocent people to get a good result for Lisbon (but maybe more for himself?). Lisbon is essentially trapped into helping Jane with his plan for the sake of the rest of their team although she had been willing to accept that she was probably going to be fired. She didn’t ask for Jane to undermine Haffner’s team. In fact, she made it clear to Jane that was willing to accept the consequences of her actions. And here we have another case of Jane playing God, deciding what’s best for someone else.

  • Arco

    Actually, why did Rigsby have to “die” at all other than to cause a distraction/complication & there happened to be a convenient John Doe body on hand for the ruse? The only person who needed to be dead was Lisbon (by the way, she was “shot” several times at point-blank range–wonder if the team had Dexter fly in from Miami to fake the blood splatter in her office?). Jane has a well-known dislike of guns so the team could plausibly have said that he shot at the rest of them & missed.

  • violet

    It’s just a guess, but I suppose they did have to « prove » to Lorelei that Lisbon was dead, but they had no female corpse to show for it. If Lisbon had just disappeared, Lorelei/the CBI could have guessed she had escaped willingly with Jane. There needed to have some blood to prove Jane’s “good-will” and the only dead body they could steal was a male. Hence the more complicated scheme and the need to involve another “victim” of his betrayal…
    (And of course, the writing had a lot more impact if we thought – even for a split second- that Jane may have killed Rigsby, since we weren’t privy to his plan. Far more sensational and thrilling.)

  • violet

    I was under the impression that the dead guy was closer to Rigsby in height (rather tall), so it made sense in context that they would use him. But I’m not good with heights and it’s hard to tell when someone is laying down, so you may be right… Anyway, just watched the scene again and I still think it had to be Rigsby because the corpse had dark brown hair: Cho’s straight black hair wouldn’t match his, Wayne’s was closer in colour. Nevertheless, yes, it was clearly a device to bring up a break-up with Sarah without putting any of them in a bad light

    About the suit, I thought it was Rigby’s: the corpse seemed to be wearing the same dark grey clothes and some colleagues had to have seen him before the “murder”, it made sense that they had to dress the corpse like him. The problem is, if there were such a difference in size, that wouldn’t do. Guess we have to just go with it without digging too much…
    Or, if we really want some explanation, we may assume that they were counting on the fact that the others agents would be too shocked and uncomfortable to look too closely at the body of someone they knew well, as proven by Luther’s instinctual reaction. They had two serious and reliable professionals testifying about what had happened; the body was slightly curled up and in pretty bad shape (bloody and no face), not a pretty sight to dwell upon and, once in the morgue, the staff would have undressed him pretty quickly. It only had to work for a while, they hoped to catch RJ pretty fast. It was plausible that no one would have really realized the clothes were a bit short before they came clean. I’m not really convinced, but why not?

  • hardly_loquacious

    Whereas I think I want a very specific type of friction (the same type of friction I have been advocating for for three years now). I want there to be more of the team (and specifically Lisbon) going: “No Jane, that is NOT OKAY.” And being annoyed with him. There is a way of doing that, and making Lisbon still being her same supportive, awesome self, without making them argue all the time. I don’t want some massive falling out, but I do every so often want Lisbon to go, “No Jane, your idea is stupid,” actually consistently. And not have her just say it in the last three minutes of an episode an we never hear about her disapproval again.

  • hardly_loquacious

    I don’t blame LaRoche for the suspicions either, but I would have thought the physical evidence would have been rather obvious in this scenario, given how many shots were fired.

  • hardly_loquacious

    Oh, thank you for coming up with that reason. Because otherwise that is a bit of a gaping plot hole that would have bugged me. It’s entirely possible that the writers were using it simply as a mechanism to get rid of Sarah, but I’m going with your explanation in my head. The alternative is just too annoying.

  • hardly_loquacious

    The ending *technically* focused on Rigsby at the end, but I would argue that the more attention was placed on how Jane intentionally manipulated Rigsby/Rigsby’s situation based on his own moral code (and what he assumed Rigsby’s to be). I don’t know, it felt all about Jane to me.

    It’s possible that the acting conributed to the problem I had with the scene, but I think the writing is also to blame there. I didn’t like the dialogue. And I didn’t see much of a connection between Rigsby and his father in any way. All that Rigsby Sr could offer up was, “Hey, at least I didn’t murder you as a kid!” Given that the two men basically don’t have a relationship, I don’t know, I wanted something else. Not a magical reconciliation, that wouldn’t have worked either, but *something*. I just really found the scene completely ineffective. All I was thinking was, “Well, I really don’t care about any of this at all.”

  • hardly_loquacious

    Personal head-canon as to why Jane doesn’t challenge Lisbon on her beliefs is a combination of the fact that Lisbon isn’t as vocal about her religious views as Grace is, and Grace does have an element of well, trying to spread the faith for Jane’s benefit (not that there’s anything wrong with being vocal about your faith; I’m just saying that, of the two women, Grace is more obvious about it). Jane bristles against it, as he bristles against most authority figures/people trying to tell him what to do. But also, Jane doesn’t challenge Lisbon on her beliefs becuase she’s Lisbon. He’s less likely to do it to her, because of their relationship. Jane likes VP, but it’s fairly obvious that Lisbon is special to him, however you want to interpret the relationship exactly. Jane is just like that with Lisbon. There’s more than one instance of him not prying into her life when he knows something’s wrong. (The end scene of 1.02 comes to mind)

  • zee

    If they used Cho as the “corpse” forensics would find it puzzling why a supposed Korean corpse has physical Caucasian-like built such as hair, bone structure, skin pigmentation…I think forensics tend to notice these things first before height I guess.

    But the writers must have been in a discussion a long way back to link Sarah/Rigsby split, or who knows perhaps they came up with it on a whim.

    Arco mentioned, “…there happened to be a convenient John Doe body on hand for the ruse?”

    Beware, I may get conspiratory….
    I think i commented on this in Crimson Hat before, I smell a rat having a convenient John Doe too. Also, to have the stolen red bicycle turn up later for Jane to deliver Lisbon’s “head” just seem to coincidental…

  • hardly_loquacious

    Jane’s help is questionable most of the time, in my opinion (sometimes to hilarious effect, other times tragic or irritating). When he does it, even when he has the best intentions, adn they aren’t self-serving, I tend to give him an A for intentions and an F for execution.

  • Sid

    I wouldn’t call Jane’s manipulation of those fools help. That was simply him deciding what Lisbon wanted (and something he wanted as well) and achieving that end.

    I don’t know why you’d point to that at all when there are a bunch of examples of Jane selflessly helping people. No one else remembers the ends of episodes where he (often anonymously) helps people he encountered through the case? It happened quite a few times throughout the first four seasons.

    I certainly wasn’t referring to him getting Haffner’s team fired. That wasn’t selflessly helping (whether one would call it helping at all is questionable) and I never would’ve suggested it was. Strange example.

  • Sid

    “He cited a scientific study which found that criminal behavior is hereditary.”

    Yes, but it was clear what he was saying.

    In the same way, he didn’t directly accuse Rigsby (and Jane and Lisbon) of lying about the self-defense, but he clearly hinted at it.

  • Sid

    “It’s not true that I don’t mention it.”

    I didn’t say you never mentioned it. I simply said I’ve never seen a post about it (with it as a focus). I’m sure it’s been mentioned in passing in past reviews.

  • Sid

    It was rather obvious and I think laroche chose to deliberately ignore it because he’d rather believe rigsby shot moss in cold blood. It’s a rather shocking accusation to make without any proof. I wouldn’t blame laroche from being suspicious of Jane. Everybody is. But how he gets from there to what he said…

  • Sid

    Sorry I meant to say “…for being suspicious…”

  • reviewbrain

    So how is this different from Jane’s efforts to get to the truth? Oh right, Jane’s the hero. La Roche’s the ugly antagonist. Sorry. My mistake. That was sarcasm by the way :p

  • reviewbrain

    I’ll focus on it when the writers focus on it.
    Sid, please read more carefully as I already explained this: the purpose of these posts is to analyze the episodes. Jane helping people does not get more than a passing reference the same way his drinking tea doesnt get more than a passing reference because there’s nothing to analyze there. We know Jane loves tea, the same way we know Jane likes helping people. Why would I write a post about something we already know? As if these reviews were ‘t already long enough. And you still haven’t given me an example of Jane helping someone without breaking the law. I’m guessing you’re coming up empty or you can’t remember their names. A d I don’t blame you. Because that’s how long it’s been. For the record, most of those instances occurred in the earlier seasons. You can bet that I’ll definitely focus on nice Jane if he shows up in the future; I’ve missed him and almost forgotten what he looks like, even if I do remember the good things he’s done.

  • reviewbrain

    Well, there is the fact that Moss, who killed Risby’s father, got killed by Rigsby, who was on bereavement leave and shouldn’t have been anywhere near the crime scene. What other assumption could La Roche make?

  • reviewbrain

    So basically, we want Season one Lisbon back 🙂

  • reviewbrain

    If you re-watch the scene, you might notice that Jane’s annoyance was directed at both Rigsby and Grace. In the aforementioned scene, to borrow Sid’s words, Jane was reacting simply because he couldn’t stand what Grace perceived to be the truth. Sure, he was annoyed by Rigsby who was obviously backing her just because of his crush, but Jane’s eyes, when he said the statement were looking directly at Grace. He wanted to embarrass her to divert her from the point she was trying to make, that the afterlife existed. Grace, however, gracefully dodged Jane’s remarks and brought the conversation back on track, re-iterating her beliefs. Jane, realizing he’s not going to be able to change her mind, tells her: “I do so hope you’re wrong.”

    At least, that’s my take after watching the scene about a hundred times. It’s one of my favorites 🙂

  • Domenic Pugliano (@FLICKSTER77)

    Hi there!! 😀 this was another great review. There were lots of details which I happen to like a lot.

    I liked the scene where Jane comes out of the elevator and knows what Cho was saying to Rigsby.

    I also very much enjoyed the scene where Laroche let’s Lisbon know what he will write in the evaluation concerning Rigsby. Laroche is entertaining to watch. On the other hand, I like the fact that Jane reminded Laroche that he (Laroche) has his own flaws.

    I would like to see Grace and Wayne eventually get back together.

  • reviewbrain

    I totally agree with both your views. Lisbon *does* know better than to rise to Jane’s bait. Jane also cares too much to sabotage their friendship by prying into her privacy. I also thinks he knows better than to pry because he knows Lisbon wouldn’t stand for it. She’d probably simply ignore him.

  • reviewbrain

    Ah, we have a Rigspelt fan in our midst! Thanks for the comment 😉

  • hardly_loquacious


    (Actually, I want the whole S1 dynamic/balance of the show back).

    Although, S3 Lisbon I also find awesome. And I’m liking a lot of S5 Lisbon, I just feel she could do with more yelling at Jane when he crosses lines.

  • hardly_loquacious

    Or shut down on him, which he also wouldn’t like.

  • Sid

    “And you still haven’t given me an example of Jane helping someone without breaking the law.”

    I didn’t see where you asked for one. I assumed you remembered some of the instances I was thinking of.

    How about the one with the casino dealer who was stealing because her mother needed some kind of transplant/surgery?

    Or the one with guy from Scotland Yard.

    There’s more.

    I just thought it would be fair to point it out to counterbalance the posts about what a monster he is.

  • reviewbrain

    Both instances you mentioned were episodes earlier than when I started my blog. I asked an honest question: when was the *last time* as in the *most recent* time Jane helped someone. But I’m just going to assume you didn’t read that either, which explains a lot actually. Particular how you think my posts are about showing that Jane is a monster when I’ve repeatedly explained the discrepancies you pointed out are a result of Jane’s increasingly jerky behavior, which I have no control over. I’m just going to ignore you from now on as I refuse I waste my time answering someone who can’t be bothered to read carefully. Just so you know, you get on any of my reader’s case the way you did me, and I’ll block you. I really feel sorry for every reply I ever wasted on your behalf which would have been better spent on rational people. Or at least, people who could read properly.

  • Domenic Pugliano (@FLICKSTER77)

    Hi !! =D =D lol Yes we do !! It’ s my pleasure !!!

    Hey btw, I also wanted to mention the scene where Jane brought the two opposing groups together. Jane : you guys can shoot each other as much as you want afterward, as long as i’m not around. ((I may be paraphrasing )) . That was so Jane like lol.


  • Sid

    I don’t know the last time. This is exactly what you said:

    “And you still haven’t given me an example of Jane helping someone without breaking the law.”

    I gave you two examples. Perhaps you have trouble communicating what you mean.

    You wanted an example and I gave you two examples. I don’t remember every episode in sequence so I don’t know the “last time”. That was the first direct question you asked me. Earlier you mentioned thinking about when the last time was but I have no way of answering that without going back and re-watching every episode.

    I’m sorry you evidently can’t handle (even polite) criticism but threatening to block me for expressing my opinion is rather nasty. Sometimes people disagree with one another on points.

  • reviewbrain

    If this is what you call polite then I’d hate to see you rude.

    I love how you accuse me of not being able to communicate what I mean when we both know you’re intentionally dodging my questions because they don’t serve your point.

    You can’t even remember instances that take place in the most recent season, which should be easy to remember cause it just ended. And you can’t be bothered to search for them because…well probably because you known as well as I do that that will take a long time; so rare are those instances. But you refuse to accept the logical fact that maybe, just maybe, Jane simply hasn’t been written as nice as he used to be. No. You love him (as if the rest of us don’t) so you’d rather automatically assume that I hate the character. You’re no different than the portrait you paint (and detest) of La Roche.

    Now I’ve asked readers on my About page (which you probably haven’t read) to refrain from making derogatory remarks and personal attacks. We’re all fans, or we wouldn’t be here so I consider you saying that my posts make him out to be a monster as both derogatory and a personal attack. Worse, it’s defamatory. And I won’t have it because its sets an unpleasant precedence for this blog. There are other sites where you can disagree and attack people in the process. This isn’t one of them. If you can’t win someone over to your argument, just agree to disagree and move on. Don’t resort to insults,even of the thinly veiled type. This is the second time I’ve had to point this out to you, Sid. There won’t be a third.

  • reviewbrain

    I can’t believe I missed that! Thanks for the reminder, it really was a great Jane line.

  • Domenic Pugliano (@FLICKSTER77)

    heyy 😀 you`re welcome !! Thank you as well!!
    Happy November !! 😀

  • Rose UK

    Hi all. Again, I’m months late to the party! (We’re so behind in the UK – and now they’re repeating early Season 5 instead of picking up from where they left off [Red Sails]… grr.) So no spoilers pleeeeease!! 🙂

    Anyway, this ep has just been on and I just wanted to add an alternative perspective about LaRoche (perhaps best off in another episdoe thread, but I forget which are which; so I’m sorry if I’m repeating what others have suggested) – there’s just something about his dynamic with Jane & Lisbon that reminds me of the schoolyard. You know? That in some little way, LaRoche kind of wants acceptance from/to be part of their exclusive little rogue family. He’s an outsider, but as you say, he likes the team. He shows it within his own unsmiling framework of rules. I feel that (because I trust him as a character) that Jane might do well to bring him into the fold – his shrewdness could be so useful in the RJ battle. Obviously, Jane & Lisbon have a hard enough time trusting anyone though! I agree with RB in that I instinctively thought Jane was annoyed (and then rude) because LaRoche assumed the worst of him. Why? Because he kind of likes LaRoche too.

    But maybe I’m reaching – maybe LaRoche is too by-the-book or a loner himself to even want to. But from that old season 3 exchange “Are we kids or what?!” I think it’s fair to say J & L hold a definite fascination for him, and I would love to see him play an active role in bringing RJ down somehow! All these lonely people bonding…over a serial killer. Lovely. 😉

    On a different note: I love it when Jane goes all ‘street’.

    Thanks for reading – honestly no need to respond, otherwise these threads’ll go on forever! I just have no other outlet for my Mentalist fandom!!!

    Greetings from a rainy UK.

  • reviewbrain

    Hello Rose!

    I love your comment! The playground aspect is one I had not considered before, but I totally agree that it might be true. We know J.J. Likes Lisbon, and we know that Jane had managed to endear himself to the man before he ruined the camaraderie by threatening him. And it *did* seem like Jane was hurt by J.J. deduction,if not for his later almost/admission. It could just be Jane didn’t feel the need to correct Laroche, but that seems too good to be true XD

    Thanks for sharing!

  • greekfate

    I know no one is going to read this anymore but i’ve been rewatching the series and had an idea that no one brought up: what if Jane orchestrated this justified revenge because he was afraid that Rigsby was going to take the law into his own hands despite their warnings?

    Wether or not we actually believe Rigsby would go that far, if Jane feared he might, he might’ve orchestrated this to keep -what Jane believes to be- some kind of unavoidable and horrible mess from happening, similar but less extreme to what happened with Panzer.

  • greekfate

    Also, I’ve been rewatching the scene and noticed to things: the only reason that Rigsby got to have Moss alone after he ran was based on two things:

    1. Lisbon being out of the room
    2. Cho being slow to go after Moss.

    Now this could suggest two things: Either the whole team or atleast Cho was in on Jane’s plan or Jane didn’t expect the situation to escalate like it did. The plan, at least the way I expect Jane to have told Lisbon, would have involved Moss trying to run but being apprehended Cho on his way out the door. This is because either way I don’t think Jane would want Lisbon involved in this. A. because of the whole deniability Jane has got going on to keep Lisbon safe and B. because I don’t think she would’ve allowed it to happen (the La Roche scene also seems to indicate that Lisbon had no idea Rigsby would be there).

    At first I thought it was odd that Lisbon didn’t stay present to arrest the killer as she normally does, but after thinking it over I think it is not out of character for Lisbon to act as she did: she got the henchmen of the two gangster bosses out of the way so things wouldn’t end in a shoot-out as soon as Jane revealed who the killer was. This also lends support to the theory that Jane expected Cho to be the one to do the actual arresting part. Also, when Cho gets out of the car and gives chase to Moss, Lisbon runs up very quickly. Either she was supposed to be there but everything happened too fast, or she ran up worried because she didn’t hear Cho arresting Moss/heard Rigsby give chase and realised shit hit the fan. So as usual, Lisbon is in the clear.

    However, Cho is a different story. I started writing this believing Cho to be innocent and by extension Jane but after careful analysis I no longer believe this is true.

    The actual scene doesn’t give much away. Cho is sitting in his car reading a book as he has been prone to do when he believes a bust is going to take awhile. It could be that he was distracted by the book and therefore didn’t realise Moss had ran out the door until Rigsby came out after him and hit the door on his way out. While it would be weird for Cho to be in the car instead of by the door to catch Moss as he came out, it could enforce the theory that both Cho and Lisbon had been expecting the whole thing to take alot longer than it did.

    There are two things that changed my mind to the other alternative, Cho being in on it.

    First of all, when Rigsby pulls up at the scene Cho asks what he is doing here. This can be interpreted two ways, first that Cho was unaware of Jane’s plan and was actually surprised to see him. The second is that Cho is wondering what motivation Rigsby has to be here, that is if Rigsby is still planning on killing out of revenge. Rigsbys deflective answer and him looking away tells Cho all he needs to know, but he can’t help but add that he should be at home; a subtle reminder of the scene by the elevator that Rigsby should be thinking of his son instead of revenge. You can see Rigsby steeling himself before determinedly going: “I’m here.”

    Now Cho is not going to try and physically stop Rigsby from doing this, it both isn’t in his character and unwise in the present situation. What a mess it would’ve been if Moss got away while Cho was wrestling with Rigsby to prevent him from killing the man. And as I said, Cho himself has a history of taking the law into his own hands when it gets personal. The way he went after the Playboys when Elise got beaten up and more recently the way he went after that drugsdealer Tookie who beat up Summer. Someone should think of making an extensive comparison two the first occasion with Elise and here, as it is true that Jane came along with Cho to prevent him from doing anything stupid and here, where he basically hands Moss to Rigsby in a silver platter. Perhaps Jane felt that he could still reason with a sometimes coldly logical Cho whereas he didn’t feel he could with an emotional Rigsby? I’m not saying that there was no indication that Rigsby couldn’t be reasoned with, just that perhaps Jane thought there wasn’t. Cho looks resigned and a little worried when he tells Rigsby where everyone is. The whole scene just appears to me as if Cho was in on it.

    Anyways, Cho lets Rigsby go while he sits back and relaxes in the car. The situation really could still be explained both ways untill you take into Janes behaviour into account as Moss pulls his gun and starts to walk away. -“You really don’t want to do that.” The tone and attitude Jane uses and has as he says that, he’s used it before when he does a half-hearted attempt to get criminals from digging their own grave. In Jane logic, Moss now has had all the warning he deserves and got what was coming to him. I can’t remember exactly when he used the tone before, I’m guessing in season one but it’s definitely there. He and Lisbon have had arguments about this throughout the series. What comes to mind is ep 4×22 with the sociopath Jane tortures by burying him alive, but as Jane was not himself that day I’m not sure the tone was exactly the same. But I stand by my point: Jane was acting as the puppetteer who watches the perp dig his own grave.

    Another thing came to mind: why would Cho sit back and relax with a book when he knew an emotional and revengeful Rigsby is in there except if he knew Rigsby wasn’t going to do anything stupid while inside? It all really points to one conclusion, how little I like it.

    I have now decided I do agree that Rigsby still had a choice, that Jane gave him the option to either arrest or kill him, just so that he had a hand in the matter in honour of his dead father. I actually think Rigsby had decided not to make the killing shot until Moss took the decision out ofhis hands. You can see him lower his gun as Moss is mewling for help and it is only after he realises that Moss can’t be saved that he goes up to him and tells him Steven Rigsby says hi. Further proof of this is that he didn’t just shoot Moss inside the office but told him to drop the weapon, al though he might just not have wanted to shoot Moss in front of witnesses.

    I really do think Rigsby needed the bust to be able to grieve for his father and that he’s violent and vindictive enough that he won’t feel guilty over what happened now that it did. Especially as he had no choice over arresting or killing him in the end. Interestingly he can’t look at Lisbon after what he did, though I took it to mean he is worried what she might think of him instead of guilt over what he did. The final scene I took as Rigsby finally mourning and getting comfort from Ben, as he’s listening to his fathers favourite music and thinking of him. You could argue that he’s worried about LaRoches report and what kind of effect it will have on Ben, which is why he is assuring Ben “It will be alright” but I prefer to think otherwise.

    Another thought came to mind: perhaps Cho was supposed to be the one hiding where Rigsby did and the only thing that changed is who had the final hand in the bust? A flimsy idea, I know because otherwise Cho would probably already have been in place but hey, perhaps he had to wait so no one would know he was there? I guess I just really want to prove Jane less inclined to murder, although he has proven over and over that he is capable.

    Finally: it is interesting that Lisbon said that she was the one that was supposed to arrest Moss. This further proofs both the fact that Jane kept her completely out of the loop and that perhaps things did go alot faster than they were supposed to. Maybe there is still hope. I guess it all also hinges on who you believe called Rigsby to the scene. They could both be covering eachothers asses. Perhaps Lisbon simply called to tell him Moss was the probable killer? Is it too far fetched to think Rigsby deduced they would head over to the gym? (Although, is that where they were? LaRoche said Jane chose a remote locasion, so perhaps they weren’t in fact in the gym and I have always just assumed that. But they had to be in the gym as that was the only neutral territory. And the only reason Moss would be there when the two bosses came together. So LaRoche was wrongly implicating Jane here.)

    Was anyone else interested in the fact that Moss is the only killer in a couple of episodes who hasn’t admitted guilt? He just says “You’ve got this wrong.” I’m taking it to mean he was actually planning to let the two gangs eradicate eachother without starting a new gang because otherwise he would’ve said that he was innocent or didn’t do those things, but it’s still interesting.

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