Mentalist Season Four Finale Hysteria (major spoilers)


Hello everyone.

So the plan *was* that I take a break from the Mentalist until the new episode (Pink Champagne on Ice) aired.

Then Heller and company went and did this:

MAJOR FINALE SPOILER!!!

(note, it’s the very last paragraph)

And this…

MAJOR SEASON FIVE SPOILER!!!

Thanks to @Sunth, @totorsg @ana_lor_san and @SiquelsA and @Chizuruchibi on twitter for sharing the news.

Feel free to share your thoughts (and pain) .

NOTE: Besides approving first time commentors (to keep out the spammers) I’ve never had to moderate comments before and I’d hate to have to start now. There’s no reason why we can’t express our feelings without being respectful towards the show/writers/and other fans. Now, group hug everyone!

UPDATE: SPOILER ANALYSIS

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There’s a reason why writers were holding back when it comes to Lisbon’s character. Throughout the entire series, indeed, from the pilot really, Jane’s regard for Lisbon has been clear for all to see. On the other hand, she’s kept him in a strict “co-worker/subordinate” zone; she only intervenes when absolutely necessary as his boss (scheduling an appointment with the doctor in the pilot is an example). She has tried to maintain that professional relationship throughout the rest of the show. But season three, after unsuccessfully pulling away from Lisbon, Jane tries to get closer to her so she’d accept his eventual murder of RJ (Red Moon, Blood for Blood, etc.) And she does. Season four was all about Jane attempting (even if only on the surface) move on past his revenge and enjoying his and Lisbon’s budding friendship. Emotions were definitely running high during episodes like Fugue in Red and War of the Roses. While it’s not necessarily due to romance, Jane has undoubtedly finally achieved what he’s been striving for for so long…Lisbon’s unconditional love. Like family, she now accepts him for all his faults.

But caring about someone leaves you open to be affected by their decisions. Lisbon was extremely worried about why Jane had wanted Erica out of prison. She’s also disapproved of so many of his actions this season and has born the brunt of having her judgement be questioned because of him. Even if that happened in cases where both her and his decision proved to be right, repetition can be a powerful method of affecting people.

That being said, I’m pretty sure season five will be all about Lisbon redefining her relationship with Jane. There’s been a fantastic build up for it. The writers have kept her on the back burner for a reason. And while I was initially terrified of the spoilers (still am to be honest) reason and Heller’s track record with this show tells me that the writers respect Lisbon’s character too much to not take care of her. The news that Jane might have a relationship actually creates rich room for drama, something I NEVER thought I’d advocate for since I’m a firm believer in subtlety.

But while I would love for the Mentalist to be a firm procedural and to last forever with the status quo of Jane and Lisbon being good friends and co-workers, it’s becoming more obvious than ever that Heller was %100 serious when he said that this show was about Jane’s journey. All journey’s have a (hopefully happy) end. As this show is set to last for seven seasons, it’s still way too early for Jane and Lisbon’s character’s to be all lovey dovey, even as friends. Conflict is a natural occurrence.

One thing I do hope for is that whatever will happen, we won’t be required to suspend belief the way we were in this season’s premiere. As long as everything makes sense, I’ll be a happy camper. Meanwhile, I can’t wait to see if I’ll need a part two to my “No Love Triangles here” post in which I detail why a Love Triangle *does* now exist. A little (I said *little* mind you) angst goes a long way…anyone think Lisbon eventually quitting might be a feasible option?

The Mentalist finale will air May 17th.

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304 responses to “Mentalist Season Four Finale Hysteria (major spoilers)

  • All-I-need

    Oh my god, I read Ausiello`s news yesterday and I dropped dead. Twice!!!

    About the announcement on TV-Line; I`ve only got one question on each of the spoilers:
    1. WHO?!
    2: WHO?! (okay, two questions: and why?)

    And about this season 5 news:
    1. What kind of a name is that?!
    2. Are they freaking KIDDING us?!

    And no, I`m not freaking out right now, what makes you think that? Anyways, just in case I don`t survive watching the season finale on May 17 (May 18 since I`m in Germany), I`ll just like to say that I loved talking to you all here and my headstone will say: “Wipe that stupid look off your face, I`d rather lie on the beach next to Simon Baker, too!”

    Going back to freaking out now …

  • windsparrow

    All the furor I have seen over Jane finding a lover and so very little for shooting one of his own – that bugs the heck out of me. Even as a Jane/Lisbon shipper, I don’t much care whom he paddles around the bay with. I’m more interested in whom he sails off into the sunset with. Just – please, not Erika Flynn – that goes for both the paddling (and no, that is not a reference to any kinky practices – get your minds out of the gutter) and the sailing.

    All I can say is, I hope it’s Lisbon he shoots, on the grounds that if he shoots another member of the team AND she forgives him easily it will wreck the image I have of her character. Also I’m developing a mental image of Annie giving him what-for via text message if it is through accident or general stupidity rather than by don’t-get-in-my-way malice. Oh Em Gee. That’s what they are going to do, isn’t it? She IS going to try to stop him from going after Red John, and he is going to shoot her…. Well thank the Powers That Be that they have not brought Tim Minear or Joss Whedon in to write this, is all I have to say.

  • All-I-need

    I`m freaking out more about the shooting than the lover (and by the way, is that position as love interest in season 5 still open? I`d love to apply. I could play a crazy stalker-like lover. I wouldn`t even have to act for that!).

    There are two important questions about the shooting:
    1. Does “shoot” mean “injures” or “kills”?
    2. WHO?!

    To answer #2, we need to know how many people fall into the category of “one of his own”.

    Now, that could be “one of Jane`s close friends/colleagues” or maybe simply “one of the good guys”.

    In the first scenario, that would include:
    Lisbon (please not her!), Rigsby, Cho, VanPelt, possibly Wainwright(?) and possibly some of his carny friends, for example Pete, Sam and of course his brother-in-law Danny.

    In the second scenario, we can also add:
    Darcy, Bertram (if he`s a good guy), any member of the CBI.

    Also, if we count in characters that might be making a surprise appearance, it could involve:
    Hightower (what happened to her anywas?!) and Minelli. Also Rosalind and maybe Kristina Frye (provided she gets ouf of her current state of playing dead).

    Any thoughts?

    Oh, and if Erica Flynn is the one he sleeps with, you`ll be able to hear my agonized scream all the way across the Atlantic Ocean and the US and it will make Bruno Heller fall out of bed, shaking with fear.

  • Lothiriel

    I’m sorry, but I don’t think there’s any way I could like THAT stuff. I’ll just try and console myself re-watching the first three seasons…
    (anyway… Mr. Heller, why are you doing this? WHY?)

  • All-I-need

    Maybe there is reason to the madness. You know, first relationships after the death of a spouse seldomly last for widowers/widows. So maybe this is Jane getting it out of his system and starting to live again and then he can finally get together with Lisbon (yeah, I`m a shipper, who isn`t?).

    About the shooting: Could be an accident. Or maybe it`s all part of some plan. Maybe Jane and Lisbon agreed to have him shoot her (or someone of the team who is also in the loop) as some sort of distraction and that person will only be shot in the leg or be grazed by the bullet or something. At least that`s what I`ll be telling myself until we can watch the episode and find out for sure.

  • Dani

    Hi, I’m new here and usually I just lurk around, reading the reviews and enjoying the awesome discussions. But, this time, I really need to rant senseless.

    Too much emotions (95% of them bad ones, ’cause, yeah, I’m one of these hopeless shippers who the main reason to watch the show is for the Lisbon/Jane scenes). And I’m only left with a question, that, knowing the writers and this fandom, will never get an answer:

    Why?

    Why now? After long 4 seasons, feel the need to bring some random “potential love interest”? Specially after showing us how damaged Jane is and how not ready to move on he still is. AND after trying, and failing miserably really, to introduce others “love interests” to him (it’s ridiculous! About every woman that comes in contact with Patrick “falls for his charms”. Really? I get it, Simon is gorgeous, but really?). Why now? If they really want to do something like this all along (and I read somewhere that Heller DO think long term), why put a strong, hugely likable female lead on the show and make the (and i’m taking the liberty to say this here) majority of fans to love her and create expectations about the the two main characters (based on all their interactions)? I would really buy some of this if they didn’t try to cast a new character only for this purpose (which it’s what I do see happening here). It’s just some way of ensuring that more seasons will come, and the RJ storyline will go on and on. I KNOW that it will get tiresome to some and fear that we’ll never get closure.

    And here I’m only ranting my heart out for my shipper side sake. The rest of the spoilers just seem too soap opera style! He’s gonna “hit the rock bottom” (ok, we where all expecting that), “finds a lover” (omg, just after hitting rock bottom? wat? it’s the miracle of ~love) and shoot one of his own (and here I’m really hoping that’s that 12 yo boss whose name I really don’t know how to spell, or Lisbon, because, if everything is really going down the way that I see, she needs to leave Jane feeling guilty for the rest of his life, find a new job, a man that respects and loves her and be happy far, far away from all this madness!).

    I would really like to give the benefit of doubt and just keep watching the show, but honestly? It’s too much!

    Ok, I feel better now.

    PS: I’m sorry for my bad grammar, English is not my first language. :P

  • Lothiriel

    I REALLY hope you’re right…
    Things might be better than they seem. They could also be worse, on the other hand… Mr Heller isn’t very kind to his characters, as a rule…
    (and I can’t absolutely stand my favorite character – namely Jane, that’s kind of obvious – being spoiled just in order to have some evil twist in the plot!)

  • All-I-need

    Well, I think we can already assume that the shooting, whatever it may be, won`t have serious consequences for Jane. First, it would be stupid for him to shoot someone in a season finale TWICE and then have him get away with it in court again. Also, if they`re casting a female love interest for him, he is apparently able to meet her somewhere and it`s unlikely this will happen in prison.

    By the way, I can`t wait to see how Lisbon will react to the idea of JANE having a girlfriend. That`s gonna get interesting…^^

  • Fiona Henderson (@ginger_ninja24)

    I’ve got to be honest, when I read this yesterday I was a little bit shocked! Not sure what kind of finale I was expecting but it certainly didn’t involve Jane and more shooting!!

    I’m fine with Jane getting a love interest in Season 5. War of The Roses proved that Jane does have desires buried deep within, even if they were towards Erica whom I really hope this tease does not apply to. The way the spoiler was phrased “finds a lover” immediately made me think that he’d somehow track Erica down…..

    I don’t think one of the team will be shot, my money is on Wainwright at the moment. It’s a gut feeling.

    What is it with the team and their near death experiences with guns?! :D

  • kamimimi

    No no. it’s not Eric (THANK GOD) her name is Rosaeli .-. Something like that, the b&7$@ (Sorry, shipper)

    The season 5 romance between Jane and someone is ok. Because, as far as I know, The Mentalist will probably end in 8th season or 7th. And as we all know for experience that the writers hold the main characters romance until the very end. Or near it. I hope she is a nice person, the ‘love interest’. Maybe she is an old carnie and he reunite with her in Pink Champagne on Ice. Or maybe she is a Red John acolyte(My bet is on that one)

    As for the shooting, I hope it’s Lisbon. Because I think they will have a fallout and a shooting will turn things more dramatic *_* and I like drama. But probably will be someone from the team, and not by meaning, just an accident. I can imagine him being persuaded by Red John to do so, if he shoot was meant to be. Don’t know why he would do it, but I see it hapening. Or someonelse stated above, someone will get hurt by him while trying to prevent him from catching RJ.

    Wainwright is good to go, and I would like very much, but for that he would need a great motive otherwise he would not come back to CBI. Lisbon I think can be shoot and he will be ok (For the CBI) but the chief, no, it would be unrealistic.

  • All-I-need

    Are you talking about ROSALIND?!

    And please tell me that`s just a guess and not an actual fact because THAT would definitely be super-creepy.

    Can anyone see Jane sleeping with a woman who had an affair with RED JOHN?! o___O That´s gross on so many levels…

  • kamimimi

    Nooooooooooo, it’s Loralei
    I messed up sooooooooooorry to put those creepy thoughts on your head.
    I agree, It would be astronomical creepy.

  • All-I-need

    Well, that can`t be possible because they`re casting her role for season 5, so that excludes her from appearing in the season 4 finale.

    “Love interest” also hints at a slower pace while “lover” pretty much sounds like they`re going to just tumble into bed together, which isn`t slow at all.

  • Mary_N (@RobinTunneyBlog)

    I have to say my main concern is not the love interest spoiler. First, cause it wouldn’t be the first time that we have a spoiler about a POSSIBLE romance between Jane and random girl. So I want to see with my own eyes first.
    If they decided that Jane needs to move on, then it might be better not w/ Lisbon first. Their relationship is already so much complicated now….
    My concern about this, is that I just can’t see Jane in “that” way. I recon is entirely my personal problem. I just can’t see Jane kissing a woman. Seeing him kiss Erika was disturbing. And until RJ is around, there is no way Jane will have is heart and soul fully open to share them with a woman, either Lisbon or random girl.
    So, this will probably be another thing like spark flying, maybe for half a season, and then something will happen that will stop it. That’s how I see it. Better wait more info on that.

    My main concern is with the Season finale synopsis. I admit that the first time I read it I thought it was an April fool. But wait, we’ll still in March xD
    So it had to be real.
    It sounds strange and messed up. Jane shooting someone again??? And who? One of his owns can mean someone of the team, or Luther, maybe.
    But really, unless it’s a setup or for self defence, Jane will go to jail again? But we know that the main character can’t stay locked up too long, so it will be like last year, one episode and then back to normal? I don’t think they would go there again, with the prison.
    So my only hope is that it is some kind of setup, but setup for what if we already know that his attempt to catch RJ won’t have success??
    So many questions!!! Probably that’s exaclty what they wanted!

    I don’t know, I guess we have to wait and see how it will be developed.

  • windsparrow

    I’ve been saying for awhile now that Jane’s basic morality rests on the principle “Jane takes care of his own”, and that with the influence of Lisbon and the rest of the team his definition of “his own” was expanding – mostly to include anyone who inspires his sympathy. I do not think it includes those with whom his relationship is primarily adversarial. So, Hightower, yes. Wainwright, no. Lisbon’s family, yes. Darcy, I’m not sure about. Random CBI-guy Ron? Oh definitely. Ardilles? Depends on which way the wind is blowing. Rosalind and Kristina, sure. Erika Flynn? I’m not sure on that one.

    Wait, what if he makes a connection with the woman who is to become his lover, shoots her inadvertently and in the process of apologizing for his idiocy, wins her to his bed? I think I’d really like that one.

  • kamimimi

    Those spoiler are too drastic I think. They are stating that they will put a new character just to be a new romantic interest. And then they revelead that Jane would try to kill RJ and he will fail.
    Maybe they are tricking us. I hope so, because if that it is, it’s too joy killer let those spoilers.
    As to tumble in bed together, seems more liakely by the way they are putting the news.

  • kamimimi

    It would be a dream Windsparrow but she is being cast for a recurring (I don’t if that is the word) character for season 5.

  • windsparrow

    I don’t think the scenario I describe has to exclude the two of them carrying on for a few months. I do think that if they are casting now, the one who appears in the season 4 finale will be Lorelei from season 5. They only just finished filming 4.22, right? So if the finale is 4.24, then now would be when they would start casting for it.

  • kamimimi

    Oh, I got it. Yes yes, it could be. It sounds good actually.
    Maybe she could be an ex-acolyte of RJ?

  • JustMe

    I did a bit of a meltdown when I read the spoilers but then I relaxed as we assume he shoots someone on the team or the CBI but it could just as easily be someone from the carnie circuit or a fake psychic. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kristina came back. They really haven’t touched on her and what she is up to and wouldn’t that be interesting to find out.

    Everyone assumes that the lover isn’t going to be Lisbon but I don’t see why it couldn’t be. Sorry I’m probably in the minority here but she is damn neared willing to do anything for Jane and I think that giving comfort to him could easily spiral out of control for them both. But then I think she would probably freak out (not sure if that is a technical term) and push him away. Her trust issues rearing their ugly head and Jane being hurt and his trust taking a hit in the mean time.

    Sets up next year for sheer angst. Jane moving on with someone else while Lisbon pines for him. This is a show that has never followed the normal formula and why should they be any different when dealing with the Jane/Lisbon dynamic? Just a few ideas that I had but I could be very wrong but it would be interesting to see!

  • Ann

    Well yeah the news was shocking… But what I’m really sad about is Lisbon. Am I the only one who thinks that she is forgoten this season? And it’s interesting how they will go with her person in the next season. Because, ok they say that Lisbon/Jane relationship is more like brother/sister but on the other hand in episodes like this one with Erika they show her jealous side, and probably most of us can get the idea that she is in love with Jane. So It would be interesting (and heartbreaking) to see her deal with Jane’s new love interest. What’s more sad is that she would do everything for him, she give him control, she is always by his side, he calls she goes. So maybe this Jane’s love interest will change something will bring our old badass Lisbon back. Because really I love them together but no in the way where Lisbon is like that.

  • violet

    Questions :

    – May Jane running in RJ be related to Darcy (trying to save her for instance)?
    – Are the lover and the shooting in this order? Or does he shoot someone during the incindent with RJ, then gets sex because he feels too bad?
    – Are this lover in the finale and that “potential love interest” the same woman? If so, why does she only comes as “potential” later on if they already sleep together right after meeting? If they sleep together and stay as a couple, she’s his girlfriend, isn’t she? Not just a “potential” one. There’s something fishy, here…
    – Who had the tremendous idea to give the guy a gun?
    – How will he get away with shooting someone again? Will it be an accident? Self-defence? Will he be on the run?
    (To All-I-Need, if he goes to jail again, he might still meet a woman… as his lawyer.)

    To Windsparrow, for me the people included in “his own” are meant to involve the CBI mostly, as a way to make us worry about the team as it was the case in the previous finale with the mole and the rumors concerning a change in balance in the team. So maybe Wainwright, as nobody really likes him (like Craig at the time). Or Rigsby, because his situation would make lots of good old drama (same goes with Sarah) and there is no real emotional moment about the baby; even with the sonogram, there was an underlying tension. Including the baby in this may also explain why we didn’t get to see Jane’s reaction to the announcement.
    About the lover, they obviously couldn’t go on eternally with the status quo. They dropped several hints already. I mean, as cute as those moments between Jane and Lisbon are, they might become old if nothing happens… So, they needed to shake things up; they needed to set up a rebound, as they couldn’t use Lisbon as a true love interest this early in the story. A shooting and Lisbon’s reaction may be the fall out we expected between them, but the new woman in Jane’s live may very well spice things up a bit. If their friendship is not destroyed by Jane shooting someone close, how is he going to explain to his new lover that he shares so much with a colleague?

    What really rubs me up the wrong way is that they keep giving us spoilers that at the end just serve for misleading us: we were once told Kristina was a love interest. They had *one* failed date. Remember Bosco, the man/ ex-lover from Lisbon’s past? It was mostly one-sided. Never a lie, but never either the complete truth. But, well, it’s the game I guess…

    Thanks for sharing Reviewbrain (I guess…) ;)

    (Darn… and I haven’t even commented yet on the great review for Ruddy Cheeks! :) )

  • All-I-need

    Since when does Jane ask for a lawyer? He always defends himself, so that`s not going to happen. Also, he hates lawyers, I seriously doubt he`d start dating one, just as I can bet he would never date a psychologist…

    I`d also just like to repeat that this Loralei is being cast for Season 5, so it is highly unlikely that she will appear in the Season 4 finale. I bet they`d have cast her already if that was the case and it`s true that sleeping with her would make her his girlfriend, not a “potential love interest”.

    As to how Jane got a gun: Maybe someone was disarmed, you know how it happens, someone drops a gun, one falls out of a bag, one is conveniently lying around, he pickpockets one… all he has to do is pick it up, really. And doesn`t anyone else think it`s kind of hilarious how Jane always shoots people? Season 1 finale, Season 3 finale and now Season 4 finale – and he HATES guns!
    It`s like the writers are making a running gag out of it. Jane, always the first to complain about “you people and your GUNS!” also happens to be the one who constantly uses one… I can just see Bruno Heller cracking up about that one.

    And what about Hightower? Does anyone really know what`s up with her? She wasn`t mentioned at all since Season 3 finale and I`d really like to know what happened to her and her kids. Did she defend herself? Run? Go to jail? Were all charges dropped in the face of Carter being shot and O`Laughlin being wormed out as the real killer?

  • All-I-need

    Funny thing I just realized:
    it says Jane “finds a lover” not “gets a lover”. Is this on purpose? Maybe he quite literally FINDS a lover (the lover of that week´s victim, for example). It doesn`t really have to be a lover for HIM, right? This could all just be one giant tease and Bruno Heller is laughing his a$$ off as fans go insane. I wouldn´t put it past him…

    And if it isn`t, it might as well be a former lover (there must have been others before Angela, right? (When did they meet anyways? My guess would be in their teens, so maybe someone from the carnival? Oh damn.)

  • violet

    « Since when does Jane ask for a lawyer? » I’ll give you another question, since when does he shoot one of his own? ;) He saw how Erica charmed her own lawyer to help her escape, couldn’t he do the same, since it’s unlikely that he’s cleared a second time?…
    But it was more a joke than anything, All-I-Need: I don’t think they’ll go this route, they already have Sarah as a lawyer/lover, two of them would become repetitive. Just wanted to point out that whatever the situation, there is still a possibility.
    About Hightower, there must have been a new investigation (there was mention of the one concerning Craig being closed when Grace got her necklace back). I guess that’s why Laroche had to leave, since he was the one accusing her and since he got her job afterwards. And I guess they couldn’t give it back to her, that would have been awkward for everyone after she threatened to shoot Jane in the head… bad publicity and all that…
    Love the comment about the gun hater always shooting someone! So true! :)

  • Mon

    Was dying to see everyone’s reactions to these spoilers when I read them yesterday! I agree with JustMe, that there’s still the possibility that the ‘lover’ could be Lisbon; why else would this season see them growing closer and closer and allowing for that possibility more than ever. Plus if Jane hits rock bottom, well there’s a chance he could take Lisbon with him…she’s already in up to her eyeballs, and then I could also see them turning to each other for comfort. And then if there’s a shooting, that could immediately mess things up again, and as JustMe said, Lisbon probably would wake up the next day and have a panic attack about what happened. The only thing is that I think the spoiler states that Jane “finds” a lover…which would indicate a new character.
    I don’t like the name Loralei…it sounds so fictional! Plus does it remind anyone of that escort that Jane pretends to plan a threesome with toward the end of season two. There’s a funny scene where he has Lisbon pretend to be his girlfriend..I think that escort’s name was Lorella or something equally as cheesy!
    I must admit that I too got carried away with the lover side of the spoiler..but I am curious to know what this shooting is about. Let’s just hope it involves blanks and a major set-up..

  • Mon

    That’s true…he may literally “find” a missing lover! I guess we can never really trust spoilers completely. Btw thanks to Reviewbrain for the posts as usual. I forgot to say that in my previous comment. Must read the Ruddy Cheeks review now..damn spoilers have us all in a tizzy!

  • kamimimi

    Yes, it probably is something like a charade for us to freak out and in the end is just a joke. I didn’t see any of the other season finales ‘spoilers’ and I don’t know what to think about Heller and his way of dealing with spoilers.
    But I think that these spoilers are too fatalistic to be true. He almost told the entire episode by saying that Jane would try to catch RJ and fail again. He didn’t need to say that he failed, it’s a “bad” spoiler, like the ones that kill a whole history if you didin’t knew it.
    I really think that they are up to something with this fuzz, and I also hope that isn’t a joke. Something more clever, something more Mental than a word’s meaning game. :P Just wishful thinking

  • kamimimi

    I think that too, you’re not alone :( Everybody besides her got sort of an arc, like Reviewbrain said before and I’m afraid that they leave it to construct her arc with Jane arc, as a romance.
    That’s why I want her to be the one shooted. :) It’s a bad thing for their relationship, but at least it will affect Lisbon and bring some development for her. Not that she didin’t get any from the beginning of the serie till now, but emotionally we don’t know her well as we know Jane. After all, she is the main female role.
    Maybe the romance will spicing things up between them, if Lisbon was really jealous about Erica. (Could be interpretated in a friends way).

  • Julie

    I don’t know how much control Bruno will have over the wording of the spoilers. I must admit I was a little dismayed when I read this spoiler – it was all so dramatic and then Jane shooting someone again. As I told Brainyreviewer on twitter I am glad that Bruno is writing this episode it is gives a great deal of hope. Jane is his character and I am sure that he is protective of him and would not have him do something not in keeping with his overall scheme. The shooting is obviously a mistake of some kind or it would be the end of the show unless no one knows it was him but that would be stretching even our loyalty to him.

    What this spoiler does do is makes me excited about the rest of this series as we watch jane spiral downwards. He has Darcy on his tail and I wonder if the birth of Rigsby’s baby has an effect on him. I do wonder if the failed RJ storyline brings about Darcy’s death and which is why he hits rock bottom as another death is on his conscience.

    The lover storyline doesn’t bother me, as I am not a shipper but will be happy if they get together at the end – but it can’t happen before.

    So I have decided not to worry about this spoiler I put my trust in Bruno and take the spoiler hype with a pinch of salt – it tastes better that way.

  • violet

    Just realized I haven’t answered about something : the lover of s4 and the love interest in s5 may or not be the same person. Windsparrow has explained it a few comments above, they still are in time to cast a new character for the finale. Moreover, if they are two different women, that means that Jane has a fling then, a few weeks/ months after begins a supposedly formal relationship with another girl… Wouldn’t that be too much, too fast, for a man who stayed alone for so many years?
    Either way, they’ll probably be very careful with the way they handle the finale events, after all there is an interruption of several months before the next premiere… If Heller don’t find a way to hook the viewers in spite of sabotaging all the shipping, he might lose the interest of many people. Too much drama id dangerous.

  • wn

    The spoilers did bother me at first as well for their ‘not again’ factor, but now that I’ve settled down, I’m looking for to seeing what happens. There is definitely potential for an interesting reset to the series. As Julie has also mentioned, I’m going to sit back and relax, and put my trust in Bruno Heller.

    I’m a bit of a shipper, but I don’t agree that Lisbon was ignored this season. At the very least, in Fugue in Red, it became quite clear how close Jane and Lisbon have become. I don’t think there’s anyone in the world who has gotten to see the real Jane the way that Lisbon has.

    I do really love the Jane and Lisbon scenes, and from my point of view, if she didn’t have a large arc this year, it means that she’ll have one in the next. The show can’t do everything at once, and does like to give out its gems a bit at a time. Lisbon is always going to be important in the show. That’s how the series is structured. Whether she’ll end up as Jane’s de facto sister, or his lover, I’ll be happy either way.

    Thanks very much for starting this discussion, Reviewbrain.

    Less than a week until the new episode!!

  • windsparrow

    “I’m a bit of a shipper, but I don’t agree that Lisbon was ignored this season.”

    I’m in your camp about Lisbon being ignored. At the very least we got to see how she treats someone who really is her brother – and I think it shows that there is a difference between how she treats Tommy and how she treats Jane. Her shift in loyalty has been a large part of her arc, as has her increasing emotional ties with Jane. Some of this is more subtle than the other supporting characters, but it is there. The only caution I have about her arc is whether or not it was deliberately planned as right for her character or if it was haphazardly constructed around the male lead’s character arc. I’m trying to be optimistic about it.

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again – if Jane and Lisbon are supposed to have a sibling-like relationship, all I have to say is if either of my brothers gave me the kinds of non-verbal signals Jane sends to Lisbon, I would need to put another time zone between me and the rest of my family. Maybe another continent.

  • All-I-need

    I`m not so sure about Bruno being protective of his character. As far as I know, Jane was supposed to shoot Carter in the back in the Season 3 finale, but Simon Baker said his character would never do that, so they changed it and now it`s the way we know it, with him stopping Carter and shooting him. I think if anyone is protective of Jane, it´s Simon… I love the guy!

    Darcy`s death is something I`m pretty much counting on. Her character got quite the arch this season, I don`t think she`ll last much longer. Since 4×23 and 4×24 are linked episodes, my guess is she`ll be killed in 4×23 which leads to Jane hitting rock bottom with another death on his consciousness (he wanted to save her, after all) and events will unfold from there…

  • All-I-need

    That last paragraph of yours cracked me up!

    You are SO right about that!

    And I agree on Lisbon`s arc – I think hers is simply a lot more subtle this season. At least it might appear subtle. To me it feels more like a sledgehammer. Compare the Jane/Lisbon dynamic in season 1, then watch Season 4 and then try to tell me you don`t see much of a difference… not gonna happen! I think her arc is simply a long shot, so to speak, expanding over the finale and into season 5. Oh, screw it, the Jane/Lisbon-arc is Pilot Episode -> Finale Mentalist Episode (which is hopefully a dozen years away or so. Can`t stand the thought of no more Mentalist…)

  • rhostog

    Windsparrow’s last paragraph made me laugh too… It’s not just us noticing either – in the episode where Jane lost his memory, when he saw Lisbon he immediately assumed they were lovers – and he’s the expert on non-verbal stuff, can normally spot a mile away when something’s going on (or not). He spent that episode trying to figure out their relationship, so it’s not surprising if we’re uncertain!

  • windsparrow

    “Can`t stand the thought of no more Mentalist…”

    That’s what fan fiction is for. ::snirk::

  • Ann

    I was thinking about the same question:
    If the lover from the finale will be this potential love interest?? Because really from “lover” status to “potential love” ?? Also why to tell about the same thing in two spoilers, if it’s the same news?
    On the ther hand it’s good tha Jane is moving forward but I hope that the writers won’t make it too much, after all he still wears his wedding ring, and I can’t see him taking it off soon.
    So, ok I will live with it, because after all there is still Cho and Summer to ship. Of course if nothing bad happens, which I have a bad feeling about. It’s probably crazy idea but maybe “one of his own” will be her? I hope not she is good for Cho.

  • JustMe

    Windsparrow cracked me up too. How true that comment was! I mean if my cousin (I don’t have any brothers) looked at me the way Jane looks at Lisbon I would be so not going to the family Thanksgiving.

    And definitely not platonic anymore between our two fearless leads.

    I find their relationship fascinating. Two horribly damaged people and they trust each other and have an obvious attraction to each other but they don’t know how to proceed. That damage is still rearing its ugly head, putting the brakes on them.

    I don’t think that Jane started out thinking that Lisbon would be a romantic interest but he did want her trust and fought for it. I think her being so hard to win over became intriguing to Jane and that intrigue became more than just friendship. Lets face it, he gets what he wants and she didn’t just bend to him.

    Lisbon didn’t trust the pretty boy and fighting him on the trust, she got full blown Jane in pursuit. I don’t think that Lisbon ever thought about a romance either at first but she liked the closed case ratio. After ‘Red Badge” and she showed that level of trust with the hypnosis, it was a turning point for them. Bosco even saw it and tried to call her out on it but she wouldn’t take the bait.

    I believe that they are talking Jane’s Journey but it has also become Lisbon’s. Their arcs are so intertwined anymore that they can’t have one without the other.

    They are in a relationship with each other whether they acknowledge it or not and denying the depth of what they feel for the other may just be what tears them apart because they really need to start coming to terms with it. The fact that they aren’t dealing with the emotions that are becoming so obvious and they are so honest with each other anymore, it seems a huge betrayal to what they have that its not acknowledged.

  • SF

    Everyone is focusing on the latest S4F spoliers without incorporating the other two we have been given and how they will fit in. I’m talking about Bruno’s question of “Will PJ get busted by the FBI?” and Robin Tunney’s remark in an interview that “Everyone think’s PJ is Red John – but me.” How does this fit in with Jane shooting “One of his own,” (whatever that means), finding a lover, hitting rock bottom and failing again to get RJ(has he been working on a plan all season?) I’m trying to tie all this together but I can’t. I want May 17th to get here ASAP, but then again the agony of the wait is pure bliss. I doubt deep down when all is said and done we will be bummed or annoyed. I think we will be floored and our summer will be filled with some kind of weird angst.

  • violet

    How true! :)
    What if RJ makes another move, now that the cat is out of the bag concerning a potential link between Jane and RJ? I don’t know, killing Darcy for instance. After all, we didn’t see Jane gather any more clues about him, so it’s more plausible that the move would come from RJ than imagining that Jane would suddenly discover something out of the blue (except if the situation changes in the next eps, of course).
    Then, if everyone except Lisbon indeed believes that Jane is RJ, one plausible explanation for this madness is that he would shoot someone from the team, or at the very least in law enforcement, simply because they were arresting him. If RJ mocked him by trying to frame him and settles everything for that, Jane wouldn’t risk being arrested a second time without any line of defence… If he’s running from the police, his “journey” would take a less metaphorical sense…
    In fact, that theory would explain a point bothering me: how could he manage to keep his position in the CBI if he shoots someone again?

    Well either way, that’s just rambling since we are never accurate about what they are cooking for us… ;)

    By the way, great analysis Reviewbrain! I guess you can already sharpen your pencil for that second part, so to speak, given the way she reacted when the guy told her he needed Erica… They are so in sync that she cannot be affected if she has to share Jane’s attentions (even if she’s not outright jealous)… The only reason I can imagine for her not to react would be if her friendship is so damaged by this new turn of events that she can’t trust him anymore.

  • T

    I thought the finale synposis was what the writer’s promised, awesome and would make your head explode. A few things, we know that the final episode of the season is called The Crimson Hat – a red hat is part of a magician’s outfit. I believe someone mentioned that it will take place in Las Vegas where the CBI has no jurisdiction. Gable said on twitter that her episode 4.22 is about goodbyes – perhaps Jane and the CBI go their separate ways. It it more than possible he will completely lose the trust of the team and the CBI. The failed attempt to get RJ may be from episode 4.23 and 4.24 is all about the fallout. Jane without his dysfunctional CBI family and guilt over loss of more lives in a failed attempt to catch RJ is rock bottom and he may lose his mind. Lover implies he does indeed shack up – could be with Erica or Darcy (she may survive RJ and figure out Jane is innocent and they have a roll in the hay two lonely sad people) and Luther/RJ kills one of them, Jane freaks out and shoots back, could be in self-defense. Or indeed, to get away as we could end the season with Jane on the run which would be really cool.

  • T

    And let’s not forget Lorelei, the beautiful blonde siren whose singing leads beguiled men to their deaths…

  • violet

    T, your theory is very believable. And awfully sad. Ouch, that would be terrible!

  • reviewbrain

    Goodbyes could also mean Lisbon quits CBI during Gable’s episode, taking responsibility for all that’s wrong, causing Jane’s downward spiral. That would also be so cool! Traumatic, but cool. Especially since she’ll have to come back eventually…Mayne Luther turns out evil (or dead) and one of her previous bosses rehires her?

  • Raven (@Raven__Claw)

    It could also be Rigbsy because of his son. Maybe the almost-get-shot moment opend his eyes how dangerous his job actually is and decides later after Sarah gave birth to take a step back and be with his son (for a while).
    Possibilities, possibilities…

  • JustMe

    SO MANY POSSIBILITIES!

    Anyway I’m a hard core shipper for J/L and think that in the end it will be them. Everything until then will just be to draw them closer. I believe that having other relationships will also open their eyes to what they DON’T want in a partner and show them what was in front of them all along.

    *Takes off rose coloured glasses*

  • windsparrow

    You know, the more I think about it, the more I want an open-ended Jane/Lisbon ending. Let ‘em be warm to each other, friends, work spouses. Let Jane keep up that “look girl, what I got, you want” body language around Lisbon. Let ‘em keep engaging in courtship rituals from the 1950s. Let ‘em both have as many flings with other people as they wish. But also let ‘em not marry someone else. And if they end up geographically separated, do give us a hint or two that they are keeping in touch.

    But leave it at that.

    I would rather have their ultimate relationship left up to my imagination than to have the showrunners ruin it by carving something into stone that is some twist on the happy ending I’m looking for. At the moment I am thinking of the Star Trek movies with the Next Gen. cast – in which we find out that Beverly and Jean-Luc did finally get together then ended up divorced. I’m also thinking about Buffy and Spike. Just… let me do Jane & Lisbon’s ending myself, thanks.

  • JustMe

    Oh yeah I agree to what you said about an open ended ending but I would like it to still be positive towards a J/L possibility. A very positive leaning, though and I will have appreciated some acknowledgement to each other that there may be more than just friendship feelings.

    I want them to show that they respect and trust each other enough to prove that they can be honest with each other with how they feel even if they think that nothing can ever come of it for whatever reasons (she is too regimented, he’s too much of a loose cannon, Red John, etc.). They’ve gotten so much more open with each other that this would be the next logical step in their continued openness with each other.

    Jane has been showing that he is trying to be more honest with Lisbon. That would include how he feels for her at some point. And when I say in the end it should be them, I don’t mean wedding and kids but a strong hint that they just might get the happy ever after.

  • kamimimi

    I don’t know if its ok to do it here then I am asking.
    Some new information about the possible love interest (Lorelei) was released. I don’t have a twitter account and I don’t know how to deal with wordpress account to send the link about it.
    I will try send a PM for you Reviewbrain, but if its okay I can post it here.;)

  • Dreamy

    Oh no no no, why WHY THE HELL did I read this just before going to bed ??? I didn’t sleep last night (because I didn’t have the time not because I couldn’t) and though I’m exhausted, I won’t probably sleep either this night. Hell no, now I’m more than awake. One of my biggest fears about the show may happen sooner than I’ve ever imagined. Of course, I’m talking about the “lover” part. Holy cr*p !! And I thought I would be allowed to wait until September before I would start to be anxious. In September, in France we will watch season 4. But I was already anxious about season 5.

    Since War of Roses (I mean, since I read the reviews and watch the video that got tons of bad reactions), I’ve been feeling down. Not all time (I still have a social and professional life), but now and then, I remember the kiss and Erica’s face. And at those moments, I feel extremely sad as I think : “OK, let’s just face it, she will come back in season 5 and something will happen between her and Jane, I won’t like it, I’ll get mad but I can’t do anything about it. And if it’s not her, well, some woman will come and become a love interest or even a lover and it won’t be Lisbon. But at least, nothing like that will happen in season 4 so I have some time before bad things start.”
    But now, I’ve just read the spoiler about season 4 finale….I don’t know what to think. It might sound selfish but the only thing that “comforts” me is seeing the other comments. And I hear Michael Jackson’s song in my head “You are nooot aloooone”. Right now, I’m pacing in my living room (and yeah I’m writing at the same time), thinking “OK, calm down, it’s no big deal, it’s just fiction and anyway you knew Jane would have to move on some day and th…..BUT NOT LIKE THAT AAAARRGH !!”. Sorry, I’m really starting to sound crazy.

    However, two other things comfort me or at least, help me not…how-could I-say-that?…”drown into madness” : 1) the lover could be Lisbon (we still have the right to hope) and 2) as someone said (sorry, I don’t remember who said that and I’m kinda braindead), the expression “find a lover” does not necessarily mean “get a lover”. Indeed, it might be a play on words or a sort of joke. Heller may have thought that shippers (and fans in general) would go so crazy that they wouldn’t take the time to relax, re-read the spoiler and think calmly.

    Sorry for the long text but I had to react and let it out. Now, I feel a little better.
    The main thing I hope right now is that, if Jane really gets a lover (and does youknowwhatImean), it will NOT be Erica.

  • reviewbrain

    lol. Glad you feel better. Please relax I doubt it’ll be as bad as most fans fears. Hope you can sleep now :)

  • ortforshort

    For a guy who hates guns, Jane does seem to be shooting a lot of people. I agree, hopefully it’s Wainwright. We’ve had enough of him already. And, hopefully, it’s because Wainwright is an RJ mole and it was justified. And, I agree that Jane needs a love interest. What could be more unimaginative than having Jane and Lisbon get together? I like them more as a brother / sister relationship than lovers. She’s not his type. Also, I don’t believe for an instant that Jane was smitten with Erica. He was just playing her to try to get her over-confident. And he would have succeeded if Wainwright’s security wasn’t so unbelivably hapless.

  • reviewbrain

    A very refreshing and interesting perspective :)

  • ortforshort

    She’s terrible for Cho! He’s late for work now. His drug habit has gotten worse. He almost got Rigsby killed. Cho needs to get over her. I thought that Asian girlfriend he had a couple of years ago was a lot more Cho. This one needs to go.

  • ortforshort

    Here’s a good plot twist for you. Jane discovers he’s gay and the lover he finds is a guy.

  • reviewbrain

    I’d loved Elise as well :-/ As to Summer, I’m pretty sure we’re supposed to see how much she’s gotten Cho to lighten up, and she has. I’m inclined to agree with you about her not helping his habit (as she’d taken one of his pills) but will give her the benefit of the doubt for now..

  • kamimimi

    Sometimes it wouldn’t sound unrealistic. Guys that good often are gay.

  • kamimimi

    http://robingreenshades.blogspot.com.br/2012/03/spoiler-alert-mentalist-casting-news.html

    I couldn’t find it on eonline.com that is the source of the blog so it’ll have to do.

  • hardly_loquacious

    I would point out that the description of “Jane’s own” is based on whoever released the spoilers, so we don’t know who’s categorizing “Jane’s own.”

    Although, I’m biased, because I’m kind of hoping it is Wainwright who gets shot.

  • hardly_loquacious

    We’re actually at three shootings in season finales for Jane. Three of four, which is reason 1 why I hate this plotline. Just, come up with something else Bruno.

    I’m also assuming it’s not a shooting to the death (more likely just an injury), particularly if it’s any member of Lisbon’s team. If they’re using an expanded definition of Jane’s own (and I hope they are for several reasons, one of which is I’m sick of Wainwright), then things get a little more debatable.

  • hardly_loquacious

    I agree with you about Lisbon and how her character is constantly forgotten, or underdevelopped (and parenthetically, is one of the things I tend to respectfully disagree with Reviewbrain about).
    I’m afraid this storyline will just lead to more random comments about Lisbon being innefectual/the problem/whatever while she does nothing about it other than go along with Jane.

    I think this finale (and the spoilers) *could* lead to something interesting if done right. My guess, however, is that they will focus on Jane’s emotional reactions and ignore everything else, such as Lisbon’s reactions and any kind of realistic consequences to yet another shooting. Because if the goal is to tie Lisbon’s entire storyline up in her relationship with Jane (something I am not neccessarily opposed to, and I don’t mean relationship in a romantic sense either), then they need to develop her side to things. We need to see how she feels about Jane’s actions. There needs to be conflict. And I don’t mean Lisbon slumping around jealously because there’s a new woman in Jane’s life (although, if done right that could also be interesting). I mean, I want to see them have an actual conversation. I want to see conflict, about Red John, about how he’s handling things. I want to see her dissent from his plans, not all the time, but at least once. Basically, I want to see her be a character in her own right, and not simply Jane’s enabler and constant supporter. I’m not saying that I don’t want her to never agree with him, but one serious disagreement over how he’s been proceeding on the Red John front, that is actually sustained and more than a throwaway comment would be helpful.

    And that is my biggest worry about these spoilers, in a sense, because I feel adding another woman could minimize Lisbon’s role in Jane’s life, which I admit I enjoy watching quite a lot. The fact that Jane’s getting a love interest isn’t a problem for me really. I don’t see J/L realistically in any kind of romantic relationship right now, or possibly ever (though I enjoy the possibility). But I enjoy watching the dynamic onscreen, and I haven’t really liked their overall storyline this year.

  • windsparrow

    I’ll give you the “late for work”. But in what way is she responsible for his prescription pain medication habit getting worse? It is the nature of those troubles to get worse without deliberate choices to make them better. So by what evidence do you infer that Summer has encouraged Cho’s addiction to become worse than it naturally would have done without her actions?

    I remember her mentioning when she first met him that she noticed his back was stiff and sore; I don’t remember if there was any mention of pain med. usage. But at that time, it was early days yet, when fans were still only concerned that he might be headed for an addiction. The only interaction I recall Cho and Summer having about the meds after his addiction had been confirmed was this one in which she asked for a pill. Coincidentally (or perhaps not) later on that same day he decided it was time to stop taking them. Personally, I think Cho was taken aback enough by her inappropriately taking one of his pain pills that it may have started him thinking uncomfortable thoughts about how he was using them. I also think it is possible that she is intuitive enough that she could have done so on purpose to make him think about it. That, I recognize, is pure speculation. I don’t expect to ever see any confirmation on screen that that was why she did it and I won’t try to lay odds on how likely it is that I am right. But I think the possibility is worth noting.

    In some ways, Summer has a lot in common with Jane. She has a certain native intelligence and cunning as well as an above average ability to read people accompanied by charm and good looks leading to success in a somewhat unsavory profession, and then further success in assisting the CBI with their investigations. Jane is more extreme in all those characteristics, but she does have them. Erika Flynn may be a foil for Jane, but Summer is a reflection of him in female form. There are ways in which Cho is a male reflection of Lisbon; I wonder what light the relationship between Cho and Summer will shed on the relationship between Lisbon and Jane.

  • windsparrow

    And if his new male lover is as good-looking as he is, well then, there will be an awful lot of masculine pulchritude on screen for us to admire.

  • windsparrow

    I’d rather see Wainwright run over by earth moving equipment.

    But yeah, I’d love for him to be the one who meets his maker.

  • hardly_loquacious

    I am jumping in again, because apparently that is what I do today.

    That is a good point, on the Lisbon front. Okay, I have decided that in my head, Lisbon has not been ignored this season in terms of random or self-contained character moments, but I think she has been ignored in terms of the Red John arc, which is ostensibly the driver of the series, and arguably any kind of sustained character arc of her own.

    I will always find it absolutely ridiculous and annoying that at no point this season has she voiced a significant problem with the way Jane is doing things. Randomly telling him he needs to tell Darcy the truth doesn’t really count. How does she feel about the shooting in the S3 finale? Is she content to follow his lead?

    Yes, they are much closer than they used to be, but it feels like her position on several issues has changed (notably Jane shooting Red John), and I don’t feel like the why of that has been adequately developped. Unless we’re to believe she was lying to him about caring if he shot someone in S1 and S2, and that she doesn’t really care all that much about the letter of the law… which, I’ll grant you she’s flexible on, but I think they need to have some sort of genuine disagreement on this issue. If the finale shooting gives us that, excellent, but I’m not certain it will. I find it more likely they’ll make it all about Jane’s guilt and (unless one of her team is shot), Lisbon will just sort of hover in the periphery mostly willing to support him 100%. That is my worry, and why I feel like Lisbon’s character has been for lack of a better term, ignored.

  • hardly_loquacious

    That… does not make me particularly optimistic.

    I suppose she *could* be awesome, but…

    Oh dear.

    I really am attempting to keep an open mind, I swear.

  • hardly_loquacious

    Well, the ‘love interest’ doesn’t bother me too much. I do hope she doesn’t stick around the entire season, or have a large role, or if she has a large role there’s a reason for it and she’s integrated into the show as opposed to just ten minutes of her and Jane unrelated to anything else. I’m also hoping she’s not like Erica Kane and has some inklings of a moral compass (not a saint, obviously, but something…).

    As for the other spoiler, I am getting good and sick of Jane shooting people. Particularly since consequences seem to be negligible, either legal or in terms of his relationship with his team members. I don’t paricularly want legal consequences, because they’ll just be tiresome (how would the show even function?). If this does result in consequences with respect to his teammates, I might like it. But either way, could this be the last finale that ends with Jane shooting someone? Please?

    I’m kind of hoping it’s Wainwright. They tend to get a new head of the CBI every year, so it fits. I agree that the other obvious ones are Darcy (though how she’s “one of Jane’s own” is highly debatable) or Rigsby, because of the random baby plotline (though I hope not).

    If it’s Lisbon, to be honest, I think I’m done with this show (I love her character; I will not handle Jane shooting her in any way well unless it’s part of a con). Unless they do it some way that’s really fabulous, or something. But still…

    I’m wondering if the shooting is a con in general though, particularly if “one of his own” does translate to “one of the team.” That could be interesting, particularly if tied into the Red John/Darcy plotline.

  • JustMe

    I like the idea that it is a con about the shooting. Maybe to flush someone out would be good.

    I would like to not worry about the love interest but I just see heartbreak for Lisbon. I will want to shoot Jane especially if he’s insensitive and then I will be rooting for Red John.

    But I’m really hoping it just serves to move Jane along on his way back from the grief and guilt. But I hope he learns to be more sensitive to Lisbon as opposed to the way he was in “War of the Roses”.

  • hardly_loquacious

    It would just be so *convenient*… I’m really not picky about cause of death.

  • hardly_loquacious

    It depends on how they do the love interest. If it results in Lisbon wandering around constantly depressed and/or jealous, that’s going to be annoying. It’s one thing if it’s weird, and she’s jealous because she’s no longer the only woman in Jane’s life in any sense, that’s one thing. But I think she could be supportive, because I didn’t see her jealousy of Erica as strictly romantic jealousy.

    If Jane is a complete jerk about it, no matter how her jealousy/reaction manifests itself, I am going to be so unimpressed. And to be honest, that is my biggest fear about the whole thing, that Lisbon’s feelings/reactions/opinions/whatever will be shoved under the rug, both in terms of the love interest and the shooting, and they will just decide that she is clearly 100% okay with whatever Jane does. Or at least 100% resigned to it.

  • violet

    Thanks for sharing ! :)

    (don’t read if you didn’t read Kamimimi’s spoilers)

    Well, I guess that settles at least some things then: she’s the same woman in the finale and in the season 5 and he will probably meeting her very soon (casino ep).
    I’m even more inclined to think that he will be running away (the possibility would have been lessened if she was a cop). And I wonder if they won’t plan to evacuate the problem with Lisbon’s reaction in a simple way. Indeed, if she doesn’t care, that would sabotage the possibility for a future romance, while that would be too strong a reaction if she’s outright jealous. The simplest way to deal with her would be if she doesn’t really know about Jane’s relationship, like she had ignored the date with Kristina and the Erica debacle. And now, I’m even more convinced that he will be a fugitive, there is no way she would ignore something this big in another scenario.

    On a side note, what is with the show bringing us new female characters working in “entertainment” so to speak? Summer was an extreme case as a former hooker. But now a sexy waitress in Vegas? Not just a normal waitress, but a glamorous and glittering one from Vegas? Could they please stop trying to sex things up this blatantly? What is next? Lisbon having a fling with a male strip-teaser? She and Grace hooking up with handsome twins at a wild party? I can’t wait… *groans*

  • JustMe

    I’m not sure who said upthread (I think Violet) that Jane will meet her already but I don’t think so as the part hasn’t been cast yet. I think calling him a fugitive is a bit of a stretch so far as we don’t know how the season finale will play out.

    Maybe what he sees in her is she doesn’t know about his past. She could be his escapism to start out with. He’s carried this for 9 years (?) and he may be ready to just ignore it for a bit. Get a vacation from his demons so to speak.

    Now I could see that and later on she getting to know the CBI, and if she’s with Jane, I don’t think she’s going to be stupid either. Maybe she will be the one hurt as she finds out what he has kept from her and what he shares with Lisbon. Maybe she will also see the non-verbals between the two and call him out on it. I wouldn’t mind that at all. Force him to evaluate where he stands with Lisbon and his life.

    Just another scenario that could be a possibility.

  • JadeWEAPON

    *WARNING ALL S4 AND S5 SPOILERS MENTIONED*

    Not gonna lie, the idea of both the lover and the shooter really bother me. And yes, I am a hopeless Jane/Lisbon shipper and I’m not ashamed of it. I have been worried since 4×07, and the anxiety is really getting to me now. I’m starting to wonder if the joy that my investment in the show used to give me is worth the possible heartache. My issues…

    …with the lover:
    Is it just me, or is all this lover business a complete 180 in Jane’s character? S1 and S2 painted the picture of a widower who was clearly not done grieving over his wife, and not ready to move on. He wouldn’t have even asked Frye to dinner if Hightower hadn’t needled him into it. And after what happened to Frye, he showed a great reluctance to get close to anyone out of fear that Red John would come along and screw things up again. He even said he couldn’t move on until Red John was dead before he shot Timothy Carter. This is part of the reason that 4×15 really threw me off. Why the sudden change? And to take such a huge step with a woman he doesn’t even know yet? As supposed to the one woman who’s stuck by him the entire series and quite possibly is his only real friend?

    …with the shooting:
    I really wish Jane would learn from his past mistakes. After chasing Red John for so many years and practically making no progress, you would think he would at least reconsider reusing methods that haven’t worked before. If he shoots someone again, that will be 3/4 season finales that he’s done that. And of course, there can’t be serious consequences for him because the main character can’t stay in jail or else there isn’t a show. It just frustrating to see the RJ arc go for so long with no real progress, and not seeing Jane learn anything from his mistakes.

    Now for things that might give other scared fans a little hope:
    – Lisbon is not completely ruled out as the lover in the finale. I mean it could be Loralei, but Lisbon isn’t ruled out yet. Loralei is only known as a POTENTIAL love interest so far, and a S5 one at that. Wouldn’t she just be a love interest and not a potential one if she was in S4? Granted, the whole casino thing could make it turn out to be her after all. But it’s not set in stone yet. My hope (however unlikely it is) is that Lisbon is the lover, which will shake things up, leaving room for the S5 love interest. Their attraction would finally be acknowledged and it make for a major change in their relationship, probably causing all sorts of awkwardness/angst.
    – Loralei is a alternate spelling of Lorelei, a name that has some pretty ominous meanings when you look it up on wikipedia/wherever. An enchantress or siren that seduces men to their deaths? That would certainly account for the “more than meets the eye.” RJ plant perhaps? Or something else? And of course if Jane was suspicious, he would play along with the love interest game until the truth came out. Wishful thinking, I know. But not impossible.
    – The shooting could be a hoax/con. Or otherwise justified. ‘Nuff said.
    – The wording in these spoilers is awfully vague, leaving room for all sorts of interpretations. Besides, it’s kinda suspicious that they would release all of these spoilers before we even know much about 4×21 and the other eps.

    …and no, I did not post all of this 3:00 am because I couldn’t sleep even though I have a class at 8:30 am. Okay, maybe I did. This nervousness is becoming quite unhealthy. I’m not sure I’ll survive this long enough to watch the finale.

  • reviewbrain

    Welcome to the blog :)

    I like how you pointed out possible positive outcomes of the spoilers for panicking fans. But with regards to the plot is unrealistic regarding Janes character, please read the War of Roses review as I address this issue there.

    Now I must say this: lifetime celibacy after the death of a partner is not unrealistic as some people have pointed out. I’ve known many people who’ve lived the rest of their days single and alone, simply uninterested in a new relationship. So Jane doesnt’t *have* to move on. The writers want him to as part of his journey and this show. That’s admirable as they could have kept him single forever. Instead we get to see the awkwardness, angst and pain of his journey.

    Best of all, we get to see Lisbon, who *has* been content to a single life *by choice* rather than by circumstance (as is Jane’s case) react to this and possibly ponder all the issues keeping her from being with someone (and there are many). Win-win.

    As to why Jane wouldn’t start a relationship with Lisbon, I can think of many reasons but I’d rather wait and find out..

  • reviewbrain

    It has been awfully frustrating. Even as I’m able to make justifications for it using hints writers give us, it would be nice to just know. But I really think they’re getting there…
    What Ive missed is Lisbon having a decent boss… That would solve so many problems…And create interesting new ones..

  • Out of my system

    Hi…This is the first time i’m joining a TM discussion. Please bear with my disoriented ranting!
    I know whatever deductions that could have been made of all the latest spoilers HAVE BEEN made!!! Never the less i have just a little more to add (which again, might have been brought up earlier by my mentalistfans brethren before)

    Now I’m sure none of us have missed the spoiler about Jane’s intended love interest Loralei who’s a Vegas cocktail waitress blah blah blah.

    Well my take is that, isn’t Jane going to be in Vegas in the next episode. Where he’s going to run into his magician friend from his old Conning days. Furthermore the press release for the particular episode mentioned that Jane’s going to find out about a shocking secret.

    Now could this “shocking secret” be connected to these spoilers?
    Could it be that this Loralei is actually an old flame of Jane’s (before he married Angela) hence explaining the “finds a lover” part.
    Where else would you find out about a Vegas Waitress? In Vegas,of course!!!! (okay, maybe in Vegas)

    And surely they have an awesome arc/ storyline coming up for Lisbon in this season finale or season 5!!! Come on have some faith people( chiefly a reminder to myself more than anybody else!!!)

    The powers that be at TM, are you even aware of the chaos and resentment you are causing us lolz!!! Well all the optimism in me says its going to be awesome and worth the wait! And that each character will get their due! (they simply have no other choice ;))

    Peace Out!

  • reviewbrain

    Very intriguing observations. I wonder of the writers will go there…

  • hardly_loquacious

    Yeah, whereas I’m getting tired of justifying everything (which is kind of what I feel like I’m doing at the moment). I agree, Lisbong having a decent boss would be a refreshing change, and would be helpful. I had such high hopes for Wainwright originally, but now I’m still hoping he’s the one who gets shot.

  • windsparrow

    “Lisbon will just sort of hover in the periphery mostly willing to support him 100%. That is my worry, and why I feel like Lisbon’s character has been for lack of a better term, ignored.”

    I have had some similar concerns and expressed them in other discussions here on Review Brain’s blog. I do fear that Lisbon’s character, as a hybrid female lead and supporting character, may be simply part of the attractive framework set up to display the male lead’s character to its best advantage. In which case, yes her character development has been ignored. I am trying to be optimistic because the writers have given me a couple of pleasant surprises regarding other female supporting characters’ development this season, and because I can see reasons for Lisbon’s relative passivity in regard to Jane, his schemes, and his revenge that could make sense. I’m trying to trust that what I have seen of her this season is a planned part of her development.

  • Dreamy

    Thanks for your reply :) yes I finally managed to fall asleep at 2 am and I missed my morning classes :/ (sigh) Sometimes, I wish I hadn’t started to watch the show as I’ve now become completely addicted to Jane :p I remember my mother telling me about one year ago, as season 2 had just started in France – I hadn’t seen season 1 at that time : “Honey, why don’t you watch The Mentalist with me ? It’s really entertaining and the main character is cute.” Thanks, mom. But still, apart from the love interests issues, I really love that show and it’s truly worth it. I swear I’ll try to relax :)

  • Ann

    You know what? Day after day I’m less bothered because of this spoilers. Maybe this have something with my rehab from The Mentalist (Am I the only one who looks for some spoilers and reads fanfiction everyday?). But back to main topic.
    1)I mean look at it that way ok he will meet some waitress, but maybe this is good. Because we all know that he’s probably not ready for some long and commitment relationship. So isn’t this better if he try this with some waitress from Vegas, than with Lisbon? If this is his first relationship with some woman after his wife’s death,he stills wears wedding ring, and chases Red John then I think that in long term it won’t be a very healthy relationship – if it’s going to be a serious one. Probably with lot of emotions, anger and guilt (because In his eyes he’s not faithful to his wife- or maybe he will get over it but in my opinion it will only happen after he catches RJ).
    2) Then We won’t see her so much probably look at Rigsby and Sarah I know it has been hard for Rigsby/Van Pelt shipper but realy we only see her every few episodes and it’s not that often so I think that the writters won’t make The Mentalist more personal than it has to be, and probably she won’t stay for full season (hope not!!).
    3) I’m sorry but I’m not from America (I’m Polish) so maybe I don’t know this country very well but saying Vegas, they mean Las Vegas right? Ther isn’t any other? This Las Vegas in Nevada?? Which is like over 500 miles away from Sacramento?If yes, I don’t think that Jane will be so in love to run beetwen Sacramento and Vegas all the time.(I don’t know how good streets you have but in Poland that kind of journey would take more than half a day) And I don’t suppose that writters would done something like “This girl quits her job, leaves her old life, and comes to Sacramento because she is so in love”. We have that kind of plot with Cho and Summer, so…
    Maybe we can live with it and if not then I don’t read more fanfiction now, I’m saving it for the hard times.

    *I’m sorry for all the mistakes ;)

  • JadeWEAPON

    I read your 4×15 review, and it help me a lot when I was angry about that ep. I’ve worked through it by now. I guess it’s the timing, more than anything that feels off to me. I guess I just always (wrongly) assumed that while Jane would move on, it would be after Red John was neutralized and couldn’t screw up his life again.

  • reviewbrain

    You’ve actually raised a valid point Jade. If Jane is moving on while knowing RJ is still alive, the following conclusions present themselves:

    -Either Jane honestly thinks RJ is no longer a threat (what I’ve been saying all season)
    -Jane doesn’t want to risk RJ harming someone he knows Jane cares about. So It’s easier (less risky) to try a relationship with someone new, someone RJ doesn’t know about/ has no reason to suspect Jane cares about and is therefore not at risk.

    Which begs the question: will Jane be overt about this new relationship or will he keep it under wraps? We’ll have to wait and see..

  • violet

    Or it may be that Jane still sees RJ as a threat, but he realised that he has no real intention of robbing him of his loved ones anymore. After all, the question has been raised by Darcy: why does he not come after the team? Jane just said “I don’t know”, he didn’t explain that the killer was waiting for the right moment or that he was playing with his nerves…
    I mean, he cannot have not realised that, except for his family, the only person hurt under the pretence that Jane cared about her was Kristina. And, after repeating the pattern with Panzer’s death, it seems very plausible that it was her interview that caused her fall, not her date with Jane.

    So I think the words Carter told him at the mall, that he should stop wasting his life and find a woman have ringed a bell in Jane, at least subconsciously. As horrible as it sounds, it seems as if Red John, via Carter, has finally allowed him to move on: he can date and be interested in women again, nothing will happen. The game is more intellectual than emotional, or better said RJ seems to acknowledge only the emotional bond between Jane and himself (playing with him, salving him,…). I really think things have evolved here.
    If Jane was still afraid of losing his friends, would he show so transparently that he cares for Lisbon? He isn’t just bantering with her at crimes scenes, he takes her out for meals publicly; would he do so if he really believed he was endangering her?

  • JustMe

    I’m just going to play devil’s advocate and play on the words in the spoiler “Finds a lover”.

    What if the lover he finds is not his own but he goes to Lisbon and she has someone there? Maybe Mashburn comes back. He would have “found a lover” but not his own. That sets him up for going away for a few months as it would hurt since he basically has acted all season like Lisbon is his. Heading off to Vegas where he can make money gambling and in the meantime, meets Loralei.

    Come fall, He returns to the CBI, and with a new love interest but with the feelings for Lisbon far from resolved. He may even feel he has the right to be a bit cruel to her as she “left” him first. Remember he’s not always logical when it comes to relationships and emotions. Can be a bit of a brat and a petulant little prick. Would be a very intersting situation for them to be in next year.

    Yes I’m rambling and just thinking of the possibilities.

  • breakyourwings

    I read the spoilers, broke in tears, died ten times, came back to life – not completely – and read most of the comments. I have spent a whole day thinking of those news. And finally I admit that I don’t believe in the lover thing. As many people mentioned it, it could be a play on words.
    But at the same time, I’m thinking of the upcoming ep “Pink champagne on ice”, and the shocking secret that will be revealed. I know that anyway, we’ll find out what this secret is in two days but did anyone else think of a possible affair that Angela may have had with the magician (Jane’s old friend) ? It sounds creepy but that’s the only reason for me that could explain why Jane may literally “find a lover” in the finale. Look, he may figure out that his wife was cheating on him (after all, there’s no proof that she was perfect), be shocked and not feel guilty to have a one-night stand. Ok, it sounds too Desperate Housewives-ish but my brain worked so hard that it started to find the craziest possible theories. For example, I’m also wondering if Van Pelt could be the lover or even Summer…..

    What ? What did you say ? OK, OK I’ll shut up. Sorry.
    And thanks Reviewbrain for this post :)

  • ortforshort

    I guess I’m letting my personal experiences here get in the way. I bumped into enough women like Summer along my life’s journey. They’re fun, but they’re bad news. The last thing I want Cho to do is lighten up. His charm is in his non-lightness. He’s a cool Joe Friday (Dragnet). I don’t want him turning into anything else.

  • ortforshort

    If Loralei is a Vegas cocktail waitress, then this is a lover, not a love interest. No way, Jane stoops to that level unless the recoil of the gun shot made him fall backwards and bump his head again.

  • ortforshort

    There are signs. He drinks tea. He hasn’t hit on Van Pelt or Lisbon. He is very insightful into people’s feelings. He’s observant. He dresses well. He doesn’t talk sports. He’s reasonably neat.

  • JustMe

    I think that is a bit small minded ortforshort. I have had many friends that have worked less than intellectual jobs. It doesn’t mean that they aren’t intellectual or smart but it was the only option open to them to not be unemployed. Not everyone gets to go to university or fall into a consultancy. Jane’s pre-CBI profession was not upstanding at all but sheer con. She is making an honest living and there is nothing wrong with that and I don’t think that would be “stooping” to be involved with someone who is making their own way honestly.

  • hardly_loquacious

    Hm. That’s true, Van Pelt has been given some development this season. I’m not wild about the direction it took personally, but that’s not to say it didn’t happen.

    I think part of my issue is that I find that this show tends to be (inadvertently, I hope) not great to its female characters in general. And while I would love Lisbon’s passivity to be explained and part of a character arc (I can come up with reasons too, not wild about all of them, but you can fill in the story), my concern is that it’s more just a result of the fact that the writers really only care about Jane, and so Lisbon’s character becomes a major afterthought. I hope I’m wrong, but I would feel much better about it if at some point her behaviour was justified in some way in the near future.

  • hardly_loquacious

    That’s exactly the ending I’m hoping for. I don’t want either of them married to someone else, dead or in jail. I want them to still be close, and there to be hints that it could go somewhere in the future. That is my ideal scenario. I am quite happy to fill in the details myself.

  • hardly_loquacious

    Yeah, that theory is pretty much exactly why of the two spoilers the love interest one bothers me the least. I can see escapism being a powerful motivator for Jane to try dating again, but if that’s the case, it won’t work out longterm, for obvious reasons. That, I wouldn’t neccessarily mind so much. But, given the way they’ve set up the show, I honestly don’t see how Jane could be in a relationship that lasted in any significant way, just given waht they’ve said about his mindset.

    If the writers try to force that (which I don’t think they will, at least I hope they won’t), that’s where I start to have issues with the potential plotline.

  • hardly_loquacious

    Actually, arguably even Kristina wasn’t taken out because Jane cares about her, but because she repeated his mistake, and went on TV and called out Red John. You could argue that no one Jane cares about has been taken out since his family.

    It’s an interesting theory. Not 100% sure I buy, just because Red John is one sickpuppy and clearly still enjoys toying with Jane, even if it has yet to lead to more of his loved ones deaths.

  • reviewbrain

    He’s flirted with Lisbon plenty of times :) besides, all due respect, those “signs” are awfully stereotypical. I know plenty of men who fit that description and none of them are gay. And despite potential for eye candy should his lover be good looking, I admit this thread is annoying me, not just because it’s off canon, but also because it’s putting evil thoughts in my head >_< hint: RJ S2 finale caress. *shudders*.

  • JadeWEAPON

    Hmm, I can kinda see this theory. It’s definitely worth taking into consideration. It just doesn’t click with me completely because Red John has shown a clear desire to mess with Jane’s life and torture him for the sake of their game of wits. And although it’s arguable that no one close to Jane has died yet, the lives of his fellow team members have been in danger several times. They weren’t attacked by Red John directly, but by his followers. I suppose Jane could think think there was no danger, but I think he could be wrong in that assumption.

  • reviewbrain

    So I didn’t read this comment as I haven’t seen the newest spoilers (and still hope to avoid them) but your comment about the show sexing it up caught my eye.
    Violet, so many shows rely on th concept of “sex sells”. And even those who don’t eventually walk down that road. It seems to be a trend for Hollywood and one that I would be bitterly disappointed to see this show use. Anyone who has read my first ever post on the mentalist knows that one of the reasons I fell in love with the shown is it’s subtlety and great writing. Sensationalism and fan service is not something this show needs; they are cheap ploys to get ratings and this show is far better than that. Season one was the most tame season of the show and most fans still regard it as the best. Why? Good writing. So, yes I totally agree, no obvious sexing up of the show.

    On the other hand I’m not sure that’s what they are doing here. It might just be they want to contrast Jane’s interest with Lisbon’s character…

  • JadeWEAPON

    Sooo, there is an even newer S5 spoilers concerning the love interest. Is it okay to post it here?

  • JustMe

    I so want to comment but won’t until ReviewBrain says OK!

  • windsparrow

    “If Loralei is a Vegas cocktail waitress, then this is a lover, not a love interest. No way, Jane stoops to that level unless the recoil of the gun shot made him fall backwards and bump his head again.”

    Is there something about being attractive, able to multitask, and maintain a friendly and even temper under pressure that makes one unworthy of affection and respect that I don’t know about?

  • windsparrow

    Go watch “Fugue in Red” and tell me Jane hasn’t hit on either Van Pelt or Lisbon. I don’t think a fugue state shifts one’s Kinsey score. ::snirk::

  • kamimimi

    If Jane would turn out gay I would like to it take place ate So Long, and Thanks for all the Red Slapper, so I would at least be prepared to my earth being exploded.

    D: Don’t think that Reviewbrain, just …. don’t. (Now I’m going to fanfiction just to check)

    To close the subject, bring your friends to the forum, they are rare :)

  • JustMe

    You said it better than me Windsparrow.

  • kamimimi

    My personal opinion is that those kind of ends sucks. I need a closure, I need a lovey dovey, neither if does end bad and they don’t end the series together.
    I can count on my one hand the number of endings for couples at series that satisfied me.
    Fanfics are awesome I have to agree (I even read a lot of yours, hardly_loquacious :) ) but the slightly possibility that they didn’t make it right just breaks my heart.
    Don’t need the married with children ending, but something more concrete than a phone call, as example. :P

  • windsparrow

    THANKS for the visual image, reviewbrain. Ick.

    But you do have a point about the stereotypes – my Man drinks more tea in a day than Jane can swallow in a week, couldn’t care less about sports if he tried (seriously, *I* pay more attention to baseball than he does, and I don’t even like it), and I hit on *him*. All that and he likes to sing “You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman” in his best stage baritone. I won’t go into details about why I am sure he is not gay; you’ll just have to take my word for it.

  • windsparrow

    LOL I thought you said it better. And you should have seen what all I deleted before posting.

    Great minds think alike. Then again, so do ours. ::innocent smile::

  • JustMe

    LOL, same here about what I deleted. I thought a few to many swear words and I really don’t want to get banned. I like it here…;-)

  • ortforshort

    Leave the cocktail waitresses for Tiger Woods. I can’t see Patrick being satisfied with what a cocktail waitress brings to the table, so to speak. Not only intelligence, but wit, worldliness, success, panache, charisma, as well as great looks. Vegas cocktail waitresses just don’t measure up. If Patrick were one of the cops on the beat, or maybe Rigsby-esque, I could see it.

  • ortforshort

    If I was Jane, I don’t know if I would go there yet. How could you really get involved with anybody knowing that this maniac is on the loose and could target her at any time. As much as Jane is out for revenge, until he takes care of RJ, how could he possibly move forward and live a normal life?

  • ortforshort

    I don’t think Patrick is gay, but it would be heck of a plot twist, altho’ it would obviously also ruin the show. Maybe RJ is gay, hates women, and is really doing all of this as his way of courting Jane.

  • violet

    May I remind you that Jane used to be a carnie? Do people stereotypically associate it with “intelligence”, “wit, worldliness, success, panache, charisma, as well as great looks”? Do you think Jane, with his tea, his Shakespeare quotes, his charisma and his well-cut and stylish suits fits the cliché? ;)
    Besides, there is probably more to this new character than just this quick label.

  • violet

    @JustMe: I’m not sure there will be a new perspective on Jane’s part about Lisbon. It would be great, but so far, nobody really commented on those non-verbal signs. The team has sometimes knowing looks and Ardiles told her she was the problem, but that’s all and that can be explained in different ways. The way he acted with Erica makes me think he rather will just allow himself to go with the flow.

    That’s why I used the theory of a fugitive Jane in the first place. Sorry for that, the idea just popped up at the time. I was trying to rationalize how the new development could fit with the ensemble of the story, because it seems so much a rupture (the shooting of one of his own) that the only way I found to explain it was to extract him from his daily environment. Hence him running away and trying to build something resembling a new life and finding a lover. And in this depressing scenario the new woman doesn’t need to compare with Lisbon. But now, I think I like the escapism route better… :)
    (I hope that makes at least some sense…)

  • violet

    It’s funny, that list of “gay” qualities in Jane is precisely what makes him a typical feminine fantasy: a good-looking, well-dressed man, with plenty of intelligence and sensibility, who sees details and is very good with emotions. He doesn’t fear commitment (he had a family). He is also very at ease with small children and babies. The guy has been designed especially to please women!
    Now, you’d better stop teasing us and joking with all tat supposed hidden homosexuality, Ortforshort ;) : there is indeed a “form of love” on RJ’s part, to quote good old Styles, so nobody wants to go here… *sudders*

    (The “reasonnably neat” part of the gay description made me smile! :) )

  • JustMe

    I do think she will start as a bit of an escape but I get the feeling that she will get to him a bit. I don’t know how fast it will go with Jane starting to do the comparisons. But I think he will eventually make them, even if unconsciously. No human would be able to not think, “Well this is what I tell my work wife and this is what I tell the woman who is waking up with me.” He may not even be aware of what he’s doing to be honest. Very well could be that the woman he’s involved with would be the one to notice and say something.

    The rest of the team and the rest of the CBI and other law enforcement don’t have that emotional investment that Loralei will have. She will be VERY aware of how they are acting and what their non-verbals are. As you would considering you are probably sleeping with the guy. She would be sharing his bed but not his life. That is Lisbon’s privilege and I think it will sting.

    I do think that Jane will try with Loralei, as much as he can anyway. He’s emotionally stunted and closed off so she has her work cut out for her. I really don’t envy her.

    Yes hardcore shipper coming out again, but I still think that it will help Jane and LIsbon in the long run. He will get that first awkward relationship out of the way including the guilt and betrayal that he will feel. And it may be just the thing that opens his eyes even if he decides he’s not fully ready for that with Lisbon.

    I want some sort of growth from Jane regarding his romantic life and this may be just the way to do it.

    I also still hope that LIsbon gets a little Mashburn if Jane is getting a little Loralei but that is my opinion as I think Jane wouldn’t react so favourably to our little billionaire this time around. He may try for Lisbon’s benefit and Loralei’s but the green-eyed monster might rear its ugly head albeit very slightly. I do think that Loralei will be very intuitive and will notice all of Jane’s reactions to his “Boss”.

    Oh I also had a random casting thought, Alexis Bledel to play Loralei, a bit of an insde joke about the Gilmore Girls. Plus she scarily looks like Robin Tunney but that would just be weird. But I like weird and what the hell I say!

  • breakyourwings

    I’ve just read the new spoilers too…..I feel like speaking my mind but it would be rude and some people might have not read it. When will I be able to get out of the Twilight Zone =_= ?

  • reviewbrain

    Reviewbrain was asleep >_< I've been so busy my biological clock is out of wack. Sorry for the inconvenience. I hereby dub this post a spoiler friendly zone. Spoil your hearts out :)

  • breakyourwings

    I don’t think ortforshort meant to offend anyone :) as I was thinking the same about the “Vegas cocktail waitress”. Not that I don’t respect people who earn their living like they can, it’s just that, in this context, the shipper in me tries so hard to deny this love interest thing; I actually don’t want to believe than Jane might fall in love with her and there are many of us who freak out because of this possibility, so we just use any means to trick ourselves into thinking it won’t happen. However, I don’t know if ortforshort has the same opinion.

  • JadeWEAPON

    Alright then.

    http://tvline.com/2012/03/27/spoilers-glee-house-spartacus-mentalist/

    Excuse me while I go look for the biggest tub of ice cream I can find. I’m going to need it.

  • reviewbrain

    I’m actually reassured by this. Though I have no idea why. Maybe my suspicion that they are obviously trying to freak fans out feels verified. Maybe it’s the potential of a Lisbon character arc. I don’t know. I can honestly say all this excites me now.

    BUT!!! Be warned: if the plot is not handled well I will gladly unleash Cynic and his cousin Ruthless for the upcoming reviews. Kay? Good.

  • breakyourwings

    If only ice cream was enough… but, sure, I scream everytime I read this (sorry for the pun XP). I still want to believe that it’s a joke…Either writers are jokers or they are cruel sadists, that’s all I can say >_<. Denial, denial….Come on, people, let's do a group therapy after May 17th "_"

  • Dreamy

    ……Why do I feel like those new spoilers were added JUST to make sure that we clearly understand that Jane will find a lover for himself ? Like the aim was to make our tiny hopes disappear ? Oh my…
    On the other hand I really find it weird. When you want to maintain the suspense on something you created, you don’t put spoilers all over the internet, especially if you plan to put major twists o_O

  • windsparrow

    Dear fellow J/L shippers,

    Ever since his wife died, Jane has acted like someone who is a pair bonder. Until “Fugue in Red” we had no way to know whether that was because of the extreme trauma he had suffered in losing his family, or because it was his essential nature.

    If Jane was a natural pair bonder, then having woken up to Lisbon’s face and feeling the potential connection that he obviously did, he would not have looked down Van Pelt’s shirt, felt up the women at his impromptu show in that bar, or bothered to collect so many numbers of “responsible adults”.

    Since he is not the sort of person who establishes a bond with a mate then breaks it only in the event of something serious such as death or infidelity, then the fact that Lisbon is special to him in some way does not mean that if he takes up with someone else, or a series of someones, that he cannot have something even more special with Lisbon at a time when it would be more appropriate.

    So ask yourselves: Do you really want Lisbon to be his “transitional person” (phrase from When Harry Met Sally)?

    Me, I think Lisbon is the long-haul girl, not the transitional person. So I’m going to sit back and enjoy the show. I hope you can do the same, but if not, at least content yourselves that he isn’t likely to get drunk and wake up married to the wrong person.

    Oh, good gravy – all the spoilers they have released about him having a “love interest” are a mis-direct aren’t they? And he WILL get drunk in Vegas and wake up married. Nevermind about the Doblerizing – all y’all should panic.

    Lots of love,
    Me

  • violet

    I didn’t want to offend anyone either, sorry if I sounded aggressive: I was in a hurry and it might have come harsher than it was intended… Ooops…

    What I meant was that may be more to her character: if she was just a superficial pretty girl, she wouldn’t stand a chance. And I really think a flashy hot girl may seduce him: remember Tamarra, the bimbo he choose as his responsible adult in the end of “Fugue”. Or the way he always tries to encourage Lisbon in becoming more feminine. Actually someone working in Vegas may very well appeal to the showman in him, provided that she’s clever and smart enough… (and considering the spoilers she will be).
    Now if it can be more reassuring, seducing a man, however long the seduction lasts, doesn’t mean keeping him. ;)

  • violet

    The (sad) truth is that sex indeed sells, even in this show: in truth, it wouldn’t be the same if there wasn’t a “sexual” component, may it be the main couples (Grace/Rigsby/Sarah, Cho/Summer) or the potentialities around Jane. They can’t afford avoiding it. Now the big problem is the dosage of that component in the story and I’m a bit afraid they are giving too much into the temptation of basing too many subplots on it. You told as much yourself not so long ago, Reviewbrain: Lisbon’s look is more sophisticated now, there are more girls in underwear than at the beginning (Lisbon in a bra in Walter’s room, the girl with the tattoo Rigsby was trying to arrest, the first appearance of Summer…). The risk is here of the show sexing up indeed.
    At the same time, I can’t help thinking that in a way they feel obligated to play with it a little with a character like Jane’s: they got a hot guy, it would be a waste not to use it and keep an eternally celibate male hero. It’s not wise in story-telling, I mean when you have a character who is attractive to fans, you have to make something of him, or the fans would get bored. Beside the new possible developments story-wise, hooking him up with a sexy girl may seem a win-win for them: they give something to Jane fans and they supposedly please the male audience with a new pretty girl. And with a little luck they won’t damage too much his relationship with Lisbon. (I don’t know if I make myself clear…)

    So speaking of fan service, I guess there will be an upside for many in that storm, since they’re bound to give a least one or two snapshots of him more… intimate than just napping on his couch. ;)
    Another good reason for shippers not to despair… XD

  • Julie

    I also felt better after reading today’s spoiler. It sounded like the lady will be someone to like and not someone will go out with a cold blooded killer so it makes me think the shooting will be a righteous shoot, self defence, accident or a set up. I just hope that she treats him gently and is aware of the big jump it is for him.
    Plus going back to vegas does this mean that the friend in this weeks episode will be who he returns for – at the least it means that this ep. deserves close attention.

  • John Scott

    The writers are just having fun with the fans in leaking the spoiler about Jane “shooting one of his own”…toes.

    And the chances of a Jane catching Lisbon are as likely as Jane catching Red John.

  • Nightvision

    I totally agree with you breakyourwings (nice name btw). My first comment here will probably be another desperate comment from a die-hard shipper, so forgive me : I can’t believe what I’ve read in the spoilers. I’m not worried about the shooting as it might be a fake but the love interest bothers me. I feel like I’m stuck on a rollercoaster since Monday. First, I read that Jane will find a lover (down) then I rejoice when I read in the comments that this spoiler is probably a trick (up) and that those spoilers are way too violent to be true (upper). Then I read that there will be another love interest for Jane in season 5 (down), that it won’t be Lisbon (freaking down) and that this love interest could also be the lover in the finale (doooowwn). I read that the love interest will appear in season 4 finale (down) and in five episodes in season 5 (up ! – only five episodes ! It means that it won’t last !!) and finally I think a little and realise that five episodes don’t mean the FIRST five episodes but five episodes throughout the whole season (down down down). I literally got sick after such a ride. I’m sorry, I know that comments like mine are irritating and I did read the messages urging some of us to chill out but it’s just too much for me. First the kiss with Erica and now this. I also blame myself for crying because of this and I’m aware that I should just enjoy the show and stop moaning. But I really can’t accept it. I guess I should get a life, get a REAL man and real passions….Besides, I’m okay for a group therapy. Sorry for my negative thoughts, I’m a bit tired.

  • reviewbrain

    First of all, welcome to the blog :)
    Second of all *hugs*.
    My dear I think we are all in need of living life a little more, or else none of us would be here ;) on the other hand, is it really so wrong of us to indulge/care about a fictional character?

    It depends. We all relate to these characters in some way or the other. In a sense, we’re almost watching ourselves, or parts at least. So don’t beat yourself too much. You’re among friends here. But it is true that too much of a good thing can have a negative effect. When I start to feel that this show has started taking over my emotions, that is when I go to the movies or read a book or do anything to distract me. Because its not good to be tied up in something that we have no control over. So when I tell people to chill, it’s not because I find fans annoying, but because I don’t want them to get hurt in the event the show doesn’t go as they want. As to spoilers, they are the work of the devil and are meant to send us in the roller coaster you so wonderfully described. This is another reason why I try to stay away from them as much as possible. My advice to you dear is to try and do the same. The show is never as bad as the spoilers…unless when it’s worse :p

    Ill be taking my own advice and stick to just moderating this page. Any comments read/ replied will be by accident. See you all in the review for pink champagne on ice :)

  • Mon

    I’ve only just read the latest spoiler, and it definitely seems to put a stopper in the works of us hoping that Lorelei is only in season 5 and not in the finale. They seem to be making it pretty clear that he discovers her in the finale alright. One thing: if she works in Vegas where Jane “finds” her, and then she continues to play a part in season 5, either Jane does a lot of travelling in the future-or would he possibly stay put in Vegas for a bit. Somebody up above mentioned a ‘fugitive jane'; perhaps he does end up in a sticky situation with regards to shooting, perhaps he quits the CBI or something…I realise I’m throwing around ideas here, but it would be one way to keep him in Vegas with Loralei. It could be interesting alright to have two story arcs for a bit..one with Jane, and the other with Lisbon and the CBI. Of course, like all J/L shipper hopefuls, I believe distance only makes the heart grow fonder. And please let Lisbon have some sort of relationship during season 5, if even Jane is hooked up!

  • JustMe

    Thank you Windsparrow!

    You stated quite succinctly exactly what I couldn’t.

    I just have this idea that no matter how much the new character will want to be with Jane, she will also notice how close he is to Lisbon. I think she may be the catalyst. She is going to be emotionally involved with Jane, and she will not be able to NOT notice his relationship Lisbon and I hope she is strong enough to call them on it too.

    I bet I end up liking her and hope she’s happy at the end. Of course, I hope it’s not with Jane. Just sayin’….

  • Nightvision

    Reviewbrain, I don’t know if you’ll read this but I truly want to thank you for your sweet comment :) It was really kind and brought tears to my eyes (good tears this time). I won’t explain my fascination towards TM as it would take hours but I’ll certainly try to follow your advice and take a break from spoilers. You’re right about the activities that make you forget bad emotions (the most recent one I resorted to was a fundraising and it feels good to just…live in reality).

    From that point of view, it’s easier to chill and not hate the idea of Jane having a relationship. We’ll see. And I’m pretty sure “Pink champagne on ice” will be delightful. :)

  • ortforshort

    Wow, and I thought laying on the couch with a beer perched on my huge stomach, watching the football game, was the way to women’s hearts!

  • ortforshort

    No one except his wife and child

  • kamimimi

    I think the image that the writers want for Loralei is the smart girl but innocent. I don’t think she will be a smartass or earn money tricking people and that will attract Jane. Seeing a person that is smart as he is and still can be a good person, a simple one, working a simple job will tantalize him.
    Or maybe she has a dark past too and survived it like he is trying to do.
    Like the moth that is attracted by the light. :)
    If it’s not a good person and is just a girl that is stopping Jane from getting nasty with Lisbon, than I’m okay too, because I read that she is going to have juuuuust 5 episodes in S5. (The spoiler said at least 5, but I’m putting my rose-coloured glasses).

  • reviewbrain

    Rants are welcome here, especially of they come in the form of such friendly optimism. You raise very good points and us meeting Loralie soon is definitely a possibility. Can’t wait for the next episode.

    Welcome to the blog :)

  • ortforshort

    I’m sure there are Vegas cocktail waitresses who are, in reality, renaissance women. But, the connotation of one is really someone who’s fast and hot where depth isn’t their strong point. The big reason we all like this show is that Patrick has a lot to him and his being ultimately settling for anyone that isn’t at his level doesn’t ring true. In The Fuque, Jane was so out of character of what we’ve come to know him to be that you wonder who that other person really was. Either he’s grown up tremendously from the time he was that other person or he’s a schizophrenic

  • violet

    Guess it depends on the woman…
    That comment wasn’t meant to be earthshatteringly subtle: I just found funny that different clichés and ideals can match, that’s all. :)

  • ortforshort

    I just don’t see how a life with Lisbon and Jane together could work. It would be like a kid in Catholic School who is constantly getting in trouble with the nuns where, in this case, he’s such a charming kid that the nuns can’t punish him because he’s so adorable. You really can’t build a life around that. Lisbon needs a more normal kind of guy. A cop like Bosco is really what’s in the cards for her. Meanwhile, Jane needs someone who’s outside of the box completely, yet is classy and very together. Lorelei would have to be very special – they’re going to have their work cut out for them casting her. They would have been better off finding some incredibly intriguing and fetching actress out there and building a character around her rather than the other way around.

  • violet

    Indeed, he has grown up a lot and still will for that matter, if we are to believe Heller about this « journey ». When you think that Jane in “Fugue” presented aspects of who he was before RJ, but also certainly before meeting his wife because of his attitude with women, then we had a glimpse of his identity roughly 15-20 years before (9 years as a widower+ more or less 6 years before his daughter was born). That’s a huge period of time; even more considering that there were many life altering events that forced him to reconsider his choices.
    Moreover, you can be sure that he wasn’t *exactly* like that: although he remained calm while experiencing amnesia, he was certainly afraid and that may have made him quite extreme. After all, he needed the money that he stole if he planned to leave his job at the CBI and to run from this situation; it wasn’t just dishonesty on his part. And I don’t even mention the subconscious effects, the freedom he certainly was feeling after such a big weight as his previous life was lifted from his shoulders…
    And, even though he has indeed grown up, there isn’t such a big difference between both of those personalities: he still con people he doesn’t know in a daily basis, he still doesn’t abide very hard to moral standards and he still has no claim about getting what he want following the ‘no harm, no fool’ kind of logic… Basically, he just realised that his acts have consequences and that people can get hurt; that’s sort of a definition of growing up.

    That’s why it’s probably better to wait and see Loralei for ourselves: the spoiler is voluntarily shocking and is supposed to make us guess about her character. We’re building a mental image of her based on it and it may very well be quite inaccurate…

    Besides, the women who concretely caught his interest until now had all something of him: Kristina –ex-psychic (and a physical female version of him); Erica –charmer/manipulator… Is that too much a stretch to imagine that a new clever woman with an out of the ordinary job may remind him of his carnie days? Without forgetting that we were told that there is more than meet the eye…

  • Lorelei's killer

    All those spoilers are killing me slowly. Jane gets this supergirl, with gold heart, smart, hot, bla bla… And what about Lisbon? Cleaning Jane’s mess, meanwhile. I hope not. Heller should create a male character as interesting and handsome as Jane in order to spice up Lisbon’s life and destroy Jane’s big big ego. Jane, Heller, stop looking for this amazing-wonderful-perfect woman: you have her right in front of you. Her name is Theresa Lisbon. My poor thing.
    So that said, I hope this Lorelei stay for five episodes only. I don’t know what irks me the most: Jane ignoring the woman he has by his side or Mr Heller’s inconsistency. If he didn’t want us to ship J/L, he should have build a real brother and sister relationship. He made all that chemistry between them and after that he said “oh, no, you’re seeing things, they’re only friends”.
    I want to add that Heller is worse than Jane: of course he’s messing with us via hurtful spoilers. At the same time, it’s measuring our reactions to see where he is standing. I really hope so, anyway :)

    Are we still on the group therapy? Because clearly I need it.
    By the way, I didn’t watch War of roses. I really hate Erika! I read reviewbrain’s review, instead. It´s so much better. Great blog, thank you for offering us shelter to avoid the spoiler hysteria.
    Note: sorry for my English, I’m Spanish.

  • ravenclaw1

    I don’t know how many up and downs I had in the last few days since reading the spoilers.

    On one side I already KNOW this has to be happen. TM is not like a 2 hours movie where at the end we finally see our happy ending. We have to wait at least 1/3 more years (considering the ratings). On the other side it’s hard to watch Jane going through all this mess until one day he’s ready for true love again (maybe/hopefully with Lisbon).

    After I read all of your reviews I have finally made my peace with this situation and look more positiv to Jane’s journey. I will follow reviewbrain’s advise and try to avoid spoilers/ promos/ sneakpeaks as much as possible for the rest of this season. I don’t want to be in this emotional Chaos again.

    I also put my trust in Mr. Heller that maybe next season will be all about Lisbon.

    Thank you reviewbrain for this extra blog. My mind would still be a mess without this. :) And thanks for all your comments, dear reviewers.

    (I’m German, hope you don’t mind my terrible language ;))

  • reviewbrain

    You are most welcome my dear :)

  • JustMe

    Don’t apologize for your English skills. Your English is far better than my German! ;) :D

  • reviewbrain

    Welcome to blog. It’s a pleasure to have you here. As to creating a character to spice things up, his name is Walter Mashburn :)

    P. S War of Roses was awesome ;)

  • JustMe

    I was talking to my sister this morning about the spoilers. She had an excellent thought, why would they release the most shocking news about the season finale? Wouldn’t it take the surprise out of it?

    We had a discussion and she thought that there is something in the episode that might be even more surprising. And she made a whole heap of sense.

    Now she has an idea that maybe Jane turns to Lisbon and she rejects him because “He’s not ready” in her mind and he goes to Vegas to get away and meets the waitress because he feels rejected and hurt. And when he goes back to the CBI, takes her with him to Sacramento. What a set up for next year’s season.

    That was her ramblings and it could happen that way. And talk about progress on both their parts. Now the worst part would be that we will probably really like the new character and not want her to get hurt but let’s face it, our little shipper hearts know that we want Jane with Lisbon. So that was a spin on it that we were tossing around anyway.

  • ortforshort

    Violet – I don’t believe that Jane had a romantic interest in either Kristina or Erica. He was interested in them professionally because he felt they were both con artists. He feigned interest to get them to get their guards down. But, his professional pride would never let him get sucked into feelings – he’d be a mark then. I’m sure he had to feel some kinship as they’re in the same business he was in, but, on the other hand, he would also know, firsthand, what their relationship with marks is like and would be crazy to get involved with that. No way. I think everybody on this site has lost sight of the fact that the last person Jane would ever let himself get involved with is another con artist

  • Julie

    Yesterday thoughts of the Styles episode came into my mind and the scenes with Grace. It got me wondering of the purpose of those scenes and could it have something to so with the final. I feel Styles has something to do with Red John, otherwise why do they keep bringing him back – or he is just a HUGE red herring. Maybe Grace has continued to come under the influence of Styles and it is she that Jane has to shoot for self defence, or to protect someone else.

    Another thought to contradict that one, I said earlier that perhaps this weeks episode may be of importance to the finale and considering that the favour owed may come into play. But then Styles also owes him a favour and maybe that will come into play in the finale. The writers have to have included these things for a reason.

  • Lothiriel

    Since “Loralei” is quite similar to the name of a water spirit akin to mermaids… what if she’s a kind of “siren”, maybe one of Red John’s moles? Unlikely, I admit, but…

  • violet

    Two things, Ortforshort :

    1) If I understand correctly what you said, Jane never felt anything except purely professional interest for Kristina and Erica. He wanted them to “get their guard down”. Why? I understand that reason for Erica, since Jane wanted to test the waters, to let her think she had the upper hand in the little power/ seduction game they were playing… But even so, why did he kiss her then? Why couldn’t he keep his head cool like he usually does if he wasn’t attracted? It’s even more obvious with Kristina: the case was closed, he didn’t need to see her anymore, so why go and take her out to dinner? He didn’t need her to get her guard down at all. In fact, that “professional interest” during their date seems even less plausible since he was uncomfortable when she began cold reading the waiter. If he really wanted to unmask her, shouldn’t he have been glad that she kept offering him occasions to show the world that she was indeed a fraud?
    I really think the problem is that you and I aren’t talking about the same thing: you said “feelings”, I talk about mere attraction. He was drawn to them because they were clever/manipulative enough to have something he could relate to. That’s why he took two huge steps (for him) with them, the first date since his wife, and the first kiss. Which leads us to the second point:

    2) “But, his professional pride would never let him get sucked into feelings – he’d be a mark then. (…) I think everybody on this site has lost sight of the fact that the last person Jane would ever let himself get involved with is another con artist”

    You’re right, Jane’s main flaw is pride. He always thinks he’s the cleverest, therefore why would he become afraid of becoming a mark? On the contrary, what has characterized him so far is that he believes he’s always in control of every situation. He didn’t feel threatened by Erica for instance, because he was sure he was seeing right through her plans. With both of them, he saw himself as the master playing the others, con artists and common marks included.

    And remember what Jane has been trying to do with Lisbon since the beginning of the season. He’s been grooming her, has polished her skills (including her in his plans no more as back-up but as an active accomplice), encouraged her to trust her instincts; in a word he’s been trying to make her like him. He’s trying to change her in a con artist too, a lawful and well-intentioned one, but one nonetheless. And he’s already involved with her, as a colleague and a close friend.
    It doesn’t really matter, but hypothetically speaking, I don’t think the label “con artist” would necessarily make him turn off a woman if she’s a good person at heart. After all, Kristina was a rather good person, or at least she wasn’t a cold manipulator like Erica, and Jane did ask her out. He said sometime ago that he was looking for a “strong” woman, “better than him”, so, if one is morally compassed and kind-hearted she may fit that criteria, even if she likes to use others to achieve what she wants. Jane seems to be the kind of person to like his companion to get along with him and his acts after all…

  • ortforshort

    Violet – I’m sure he did have an attraction to both of them. They’re attractive women. The why, to me, is the game. Con-person vs. con-person. The whole underlying plot of the show is “The Game” between RJ and Jane. Patrick loves to play and when a worthy adversary comes across his path, he can’t resist. I agree about the ego part, but not about the mark part. Maybe we just define “mark” differently. To me, if you’ve become a “mark”, you’ve lost the game. His ego won’t allow him to become a “mark”. I still think “The Kiss” was Jane pretending so that Erica would think she had gotten the upper hand in their game. After all, he did catch the lawyer trying to help her and had won the game, until Wainwright’s remarkable blunder let her escape. And he had some pretty poignant comeback lines to Erica just before “The Kiss”. Hard to believe he just chucked all of those thoughts away in an instant. As for Kristina. I agree that Patrick would be much more likely to consider her as a prospective woman in her life – if he actually believed she’s a con artist. I think what was getting him was that she wouldn’t admit it and if she really believed this mumbo jumbo, he’d be outta there in a heartbeat. So yeah, I agree with you about Kristina that there may have been some potential there as long as he could get her to level with him and they could move forward honestly from there. That, obviously, never got close to happening

  • scully1992

    Ok, I’ve had time to calm down now and really think that maybe (just maybe) Season 5 could Lisbon’s season. Perhaps Jane’s love interest will be a RJ plant who ultimately falls for Jane? Maybe she will be the one who makes Jane realise (& confirms to us) how he feels about Lisbon? If she is a plant maybe she’s sent to see how much Lisbon cares for Jane before RJ makes his big move for one of the team? I think the writers need to give this one giant Lisbon shaped arc over the whole season – not just ‘jisbon’ moments here and there. I think it would great to add some emotional jeopardy and not just the physical (eg Jane gets punched, Jane runs, Lisbon protects, etc).

  • John Scott

    “But then Stiles also owes him a favor and maybe that will come into play in the finale. The writers have to have included these things for a reason.”

    Jane is no April fool. He is recruiting Bret Stiles and Erica Flynn in his battle with the Red John organization.

    http://the11oclocknews.blogspot.com/2012/03/mentalist-pink-champagne-on.html

  • T

    Well, now we know Jane has discussed deeply with and is in possession of a disc with a new identity (for Erica as bait?), has procured two favors one from Stiles and one from the Magician in Pink Champagne on Ice, could be a very interesting state of affairs in the finale…should they pull all these rabbits out of a hat…

  • John Scott

    Prolific serial killer Patrick “Red” John committed suicide today. John, a failed cartoonist, was distraught when his fanfiction submission got bad reviews.

    APRIL FOOL!

  • GeeLady

    A far better season 4 finale’ would be Red John getting hold of Jane for some weird though non-lethal agenda of his own (Red John is as obsessed with Jane as Jane is with him – let’s face it). But another shooting ending?? *sigh*
    Oh, and an another uncessary love interest for Jane?? IF it should actually be a real love interst, they will most likely – if they’re smart enough!! – make it one that will not last beyind 2 or 3 episodes, and probably one that involves Jane’s hunt for Red John in some way.
    Maybe this love interest is a Red John accomplice who by secretly drugging Jane’s tea or something gets Jane’s mind twisted around and maneuvers Jane into shooting “one of his own” ?? The team must then figure out a way to rescue Jane from ths diabolical evil duo (Red John and the slut he carefully trained to mind-f&$k Jane). That is how I would write it anyhoo, and if the show’s producers had any sense they’d hire me to write the damn thing!!
    They better make this finale’ worth watching or I”m sticking to reading/writing fanfiction to get my Mentalist fix.

  • Julie

    hey Geelady I am sure the finale will not live up to the desires of your deliciously twisted ‘Jane pain’ mind but if you want to do your own version I will look forward to reading it.

    I disagree that the ‘love interests’ are unnecessary as I think they are all part of his growth.

  • Julie

    Not sure that Jane is in possession of the identity disc as the team were there for the sting and it would probably be held in evidence – though of course that means nothing to Jane.

  • zee

    Hello Reviewbrain,

    Ahh, the wonders of technology, spawns the spoilers like nobody’s business! After a fraction-of-a-second of heart palpitations, I decided to take them spoliers with a grain of salt, like all television show promos. Remember, last season’s “glimpse of Red John” spoiler? I find the producers have a way with words that deviate from the actual outcome to bait viewers all throughout the seasons.

    Instead it might turn out: Jane finds a “lover, not a fighter” (maybe a hippie somesort) and shoots one of his own with a 18 megapixel DSLR, all in a night of Vegas. ;DD

    Love Interest
    But if they do unfold, I welcome the drama because I think it’s beneficial between Jane and Lisbon, if they are written as something beyond friendship in the future seasons. Probably this is one of Jane’s “dark side” without the excuse of a fugue state and hopefully she still accepts him. I do believe it would be an escapism, as mentioned above. A Cocktail waitress from Vegas is a tad young-ish for Jane wouldn’t it? Whatever, perhaps gaining more demographic numbers…

    ShootingTeory
    He shoots someone from the CBI (I think Cho, because he’s the only one from the team who hasn’t had a “shooty” experience) accidently by grabbing Lisbon’s gun, because he was in line of fire of Red John minions and Jane has to act quickly. Lisbon, not wanting Jane to go behind bars yet again, takes the rap, because whatever happens in Vegas….
    So, there’s would be no one-day-trial, but a Lisbon arc for season 5!

  • JadeWEAPON

    I had a feeling today was going to be a good day. And now I know why. New spoiler: http://tvline.com/2012/04/03/the-mentalist-emmanuelle-chriqui/#more-318562

  • Raven

    I thought about Jane’s second “breakdown” (rock bottom) again.
    We already know that each season are almost 2/3 years in the TM universe. Maybe the end of season 4 will be the 10th anniversary of Jane’s death family and this is the actual reason why he “hits rock bottom” because after hunting Red John for 10 years he is nowhere near to catch him since we know RJ escapes again.

    OK, just my thoughts :)

  • Raven

    SPOILER

    Why does she reminds me so much of Lisbon? She has the same hair colour, almost the same dimples and nearly the same size as Lisbon (1,63 Tunney / 1,60 Chriqui). It’s like I see a younger version of Lisbon. According to her birth date she is perhaps a lot younger than Jane.
    I hope her character will be at least different from Lisbon’s or maybe it’s just my imagination and I see things that are not even there or maybe I’m just crazy ;)

    Enough of my chitchat…

  • JadeWEAPON

    SPOILER ALERT

    “May be too good to be true” is what really caught my interest. Bringing me back to the whole name business. There’s her first name, which has been discussed already, and the meaning her last name has to do with war. I kinda hope that this is all pointing to her being an RJ special operative or something. In this case, I would probably like this “love interest” plotline a lot more. Heck, I might even like Loralei in a weird psycho way. Mostly because I have this wonderful mental image of her beating Jane up in some kind of super martial arts “Black Widow” style. Heh, my enjoyment of JanePain! has increased 500% since S4. Basically, I’m planning on sitting back and reveling the potential drama/chaos of it all. Funny, I really wasn’t expecting to feel this way a week or so ago. I think S4 and the spoilers drove me insane, unlocking my evil side.

  • Jaimie King

    Hey Guys,

    I am new to the blog but some of you may know me as Jaimie255 on FanFicition. As a Jane and Lisbon shipper I was disappointed to hear the news but thanks to Jade’s spoilers, I am not depressed over Lorelai. “Lorelai” is going to be played by Emmanule Cirqui! She is awesome, she is from Entourage and has a sexy voice. Trust me, she will do her character justice and if anything she will help Jane and Lisbon get closer. I have feeling she might sense the strange close friendship between Lisbon and Jane and open Jane’s eyes to see Lisbon romantically.
    I predict like some of you commented, Jane or Lisbon will leave CBI in Ashley Gable’s “Goodbye” episode causing Jane to hit rock bottom and he ends up in Vegas and latches onto someone who is like Lisbon. Cirqui has dark hair and her character was described “waitress with heart of gold”, our Lisbon has 24K gold heart.
    However, I hope Lisbon is the one who gets shot because it will do her character no justice if she forgives Jane for shooting anyone else on the team. It has to be Lisbon or Wainwright (I heard the actor has a pilot for Fall).
    I am actually getting excited for the finale because I hope writers do what we have been wondering the whole season….THE BIG JANE AND LISBON FIGHT! This season as many of you commented Lisbon has been letting Jane run CBI, where is our stubborn Lisbon from the previous seasons? I think Ardilles comment in “First Blush” was the wake up call for Lisbon and viewers, that her easiness towards Jane is hurting the CBI and hopefully S4 finale will be last straw and S5 will have the “tension, silent treatments and icy stares” we wanted from Lisbon in the S4 premiere. The “tension” between Jane and Lisbon will make Jane’s new romantic relationship more sensible. Jane needs someone to talk to.
    As a Lisbon fan, I hope they give her a love interest as well, preferably bringing back Mashburn. It seems everyone in SCU are evolving in their personal lives except Lisbon. The writers really do want to portray her as a workaholic, don’t they?
    I hope Jane and Lisbon do end up, in the last season not the series finale. I want to see some progress of their romantic relationship before the show ends but I hope they write it reasonably leaving us feeling optimistic about their romantic future.

    Thanks for reading my “Two Cents”.

    -Jaimie King

  • tessjanes

    Heller pista com esse show me diz que o caráter escritores respeito Lisboa demais para não cuidar dela.( tem como postar essa entrevista).Olha não sei oque dizer sobre essa amante que estão arrumando para o Jane(confesso que quando soube fiquei super mal e ainda tenho um pouco de medo),mas tomara que ela não fique mais que os 5 episódios que já está programado e que tenhamos muitas cenas jisbon.

  • scully1992

    Feeling MUCH more positive for season 5 – this quote is from a Simon Baker interview in September 2011…..”Some fans think there is still one missing ingredient for Jane – a romance with feisty colleague Special Agent Teresa Lisbon (Robin Tunney).

    During a break inside his trailer, Baker says he and show creator Bruno Heller constantly weigh up the pros and cons of new directions for Jane, including the will-they, won’t- they dynamic with Lisbon.

    “There’s more stuff to play out in that relationship, ” he says.

    “I think there’s obviously an affection between the two of them.

    “Whether that is a lust or a love or just a mutual respect . . . I think there’s been little moments in the show.

    “I always intended that you could play around with it. But then you have to ask the question: is the Jane character a sexual character?

    “There are episodes where he has flirtations with women, ” Baker says. “He asked that woman out at the end of the second season, which was really awkward and kind of heartbreaking for him.

    “You do want some sort of development . . . but you have to be careful with what steps you take.

    “How do you set up the idea that maybe Jane and Lisbon could really be together?

    “I think you’d first have to establish that Jane is able to explore his sexuality and I don’t think that should be with Lisbon. I think that should come through something else, ” Baker says.”
    Be still my Jisbon heart

  • kamimimi

    Moooore spoilers (They aren’t leaving any fun for us I guess -.-)

    http://robingreenshades.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/spoiler-alert-info-about-mentalist-4×22.html#more

    Lisbon’s arc is beginning to form in the horizon.. :)
    I would say that after this episode is very likely to Lisbon drop CBI, but Bruno said that she will realize that there’s no turning back. Don’t know what to think.

    Some ideas?

  • dearmag

    I know, right? I’m really curious to see what mr. Heller has to surprise us. I’m getting the feeling that this last few episodes are gonna be a rollercoaster to all of us.

    I’ve read the press release and I was fairly certain that the “goodbyes” that Ashley was talking about on Twitter was Cho/Summer related (which, if it is, I’m not gonna be very happy about, am really hoping for Samaire Armstrong to be cast has a regular), but after reading your comment, I’m starting to think if it is possible Lisbon who goes away and it leads, somehow, to Jane’s downfall.

    Idk, idk… too much spoilers lately. Not certain of anything anymore :P

    Btw, I’ve always loved it here, great people, great comments ;)

  • reviewbrain

    I’ve been saying for a while now that Lisbon might quit so these spoilers make me deliriously happy. Hello Lisbon plot :) And yes that would be enough to throw Jane into a downwards spiral. I can’t wait.

    Of course, it all sounds too good to be true..

    Welcome to the blog. Great to have you here :)

  • Raven

    I have to say I’m quite intrigued with the news. We only know Lisbon as a hard working woman with no personal life and a almost horrible childhood.
    Was she always a workaholic? Apparently not, including the newest Information. It would be nice to know what has caused the change. Why did she choose a life of work over a life of a married woman with kids? Did she ever regretted her choice? This could be a big development in her character.
    If we want Lisbon to have a serious and long lasting! relationship in the future, she needs to change her live too, like Jane have to change his (so maybe they could meet in the middle ;) ).

    Think of the positiv effects this could have on Lisbon. Maybe she comes to the realisation that what she now have in her live is not enough, that she want more than work, one night stands and lonely evenings at home.

    I hope this will last longer than one episode because there is so much potential for a major development, but I’m afraid this could be just a character episode.

    Trust, trust, trust… ;)

  • Raven

    It would be fantastic if she quit or maybe change the departement but I wonder how they might handle her absence in future episodes. They can’t remove her completely, she’s still a part of the series… mmm.. maybe two plots in one episode… waaaaaaaa.. I want to see this episode!!!

    Calm down.. Ohmmm… breathe in… breathe out

  • JustMe

    Wow. Great Spoiler.

    I do have to say it will shed light on Lisbon but it just may be that it gets her to thinking about her life which will actually arc the rest of the season. She may start seeing herself as waiting on someone who will never be ready (Jane) and decides to cut her losses and leave. Little does she know that he may be closer to being ready than she thinks. Of course they never talk about stuff so personally so she would have no idea what is actually going on in that beautiful brain of his.

    And like ReveiwBrain said, he would spiral out of control without her, his anchor and emotional support. Of course we know what he does, the spoilers for next year let out last month, but it sets up so much angst for them.

    They are going to have to talk sooner or later next year and I see fireworks, big sparkly ones that leave you breathless.

    It will eventually pull them closer and they will have to break down those walls and talk and confront what they feel and I think it will be as painful for us to watch as it is for the characters but the emotional payoff in the end will hopefully make it all worth while…

  • scully1992

    I could not agree more! If I had Bruno Heller’s email address I’d forward your comments! Can’t wait for season 5 and 4’s not even done yet!

  • tessjanes

    É tomara então que essa amante que ela irá ter seja essa pessoa antes da Lisbon que ele tem que ter para depois ele então começar um relacionamento com a Lisbon(é o que espero).

  • tessjanes

    Eu não acho que ela sairá do CBI não ela vai pensar na vida dela ver que realmente ela quer ter constituir uma família pois no episódio que o irmão dela Thommy aparece ela diz a ele que sente um pouco de inveja dele(ter casado apesar de ter separado né e terter uma filha),então acho que ela vai sim demonstra a sua vontade de casar ter filhos e tudo mais mas não vai sair da CBI eu acho.

  • Jaimie King

    So I just checked out the Robin Tunney Green Shades Blog, and is it just me or does Lorelai resemble very like Lisbon from S1…the curly short hair and the leather jacket, I initially thought it was Lisbon and then had do a double check to find it was Lorelai. Oh, how I hope Lisbon does leave CBI which would make S5 more and more Lisbon juicy. Cannot wait for the 4.22, YAY! for bringing Lisbon’s past.

  • mon

    I just read the spoiler on red-blog and just had to come here and see if it was being discussed. I’m so excited to read it; yippee for more about Lisbon’s past. This has all sorts of potential for the finale and how Jane/Lisbon plays out. It’ll be intersting to see why she left her ex. Really looking forward to these eps :)

  • windsparrow

    ROFL – I told the Man Lorelei couldn’t look more Lisbon-esque if they had hired Robin Tunney’s sister to play her.

  • JustMe

    Yup to that. Showed my husband too and he thought it was Lisbon at first. Well all I can say is that the Lorelai character would be blind not to see the resemblance and the same goes for Lisbon. Now that would be a first meeting that would be very interesting to see and how the team reacts. Of course Lisbon’s former fiance is a bit of a version of Jane too. It can’t all be accidental. Producers are probably just giving us our shipping fix via proxy and giggling about it…;-)

  • kamimimi

    I thought that about the guy from The Shield too. He is too much alike Jane.
    Let’s see about the personality. Of course the producers could be playing with our hearts, but I don’t think its not intended. :) They’re mean.

  • kamimimi

    Changing departement would be great. They could do episodes where they needed each other’s help in their cases and develop their relationship out of the work too *___*

  • kamimimi

    Sim, talvez seja muito drastico, mas é uma possibilidade. Ou trocando de time sabe, indo trabalhar com a narcoticos ou algo assim. Renderia muita historia :)

    ( Translating: Yes, it’s maybe too drastic, but still a possibility. Or just changing departament, going to work with narcotics or something. It would bring some awesome plots )

  • scully1992

    And if you look at Jane’s “responsible adult” in 4×10 she looked like Lisbon too!

  • windsparrow

    Heh. Somebody has a Type. Whether it’s the casting director or Jane, I don’t know.

  • Raven

    New SPOILERS

    Thanks to Emmanuelle Chriqui for posting this on twitter and also thanks to Robin Tunney Blog http://robingreenshades.blogspot.de/2012/04/spoiler-alert-bts-photos-from-mentalist.html

    Jane looks really horrible. I hope he got his black eye from Lisbon ;)

  • mon

    Just wondering what people make of the title: “So Long and thanks for all the Red Snapper”. A red snapper is a fish, and it says that Lisbon has to investigate the death of a surfer…so that’s all sea-related. Do ye think her ex is a surfer too? I had a look at the actor and his spiky blonde hair gives that impression. Don’t know him so well as I never watched The Shield. The ‘So Long’ part does make me think that this reunion will allow them a final and proper goodbye. And who knows, perhaps Lisbon will decide to take a career break too as some people suggest.

  • mon

    ok I’ve just read that the title is a pun on Douglas Adam’s book ‘So Long and thanks for all the Fish’ from his Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy series. That particular book had a romantic storyline running through it so I guess it makes sense! (Also the leads visit California in it!)

  • scully1992

    I think kamimimi is right the producers are playing with us. Maybe the CBI team will point out the likeness of Jane’s love interest and Lisbon OR maybe she’ll want to meet the team and realise it herself? I think by the end of her 5 episodes she’ll break up with Jane and make him see his feelings for Lisbon. The writers need to give us a way to see what Jane is thinking and that can only be done through someone outside the team…

  • Ann

    I just hope that writers won’t connect this Lorelai girl with Red John’s plot. That they won’t make her his mole or his next target. Because that would probably colse up Jane for the woman in the near future.

  • scully1992

    I agree Ann – hopefully the writers will use it for some proper character developmentand to move things along nicely (not sure if this message will appear above your reply – I couldn’t find a reply button to you – oops!)

  • tessjanes

    Eu também quero saber mais do passado(vida pessoal da Lisbon) e quero muito saber como vai ser a reação do Jane apesar de que não vai adiantar muito se ele ficar com ciúmes incomodado sei lá pois depois na season finale sentindo ou não ciúmes nesse episódio ele vai ficar com outra(que RAIVA).

  • tessjanes

    Jane looks really horrible. I hope he got his black eye from Lisbon +1,também espero que ela acerte um soco no olho dele pois ta merecendo por brincar com o sentimentos dela.

  • Dreamy

    After my desperate comment, I have something to ask and though it may not be related to all those spoilers, I think it could be interesting to have your opinion about it. Last summer (ages ago) I read an interview of Owain Yeoman in a French magazine and he said that we would see Rigsby in a wheelchair and Jane using a walker (I’m not sure of the word) but I don’t remember in which season. Has anyone else heard of this or am I definitely crazy (which would not be surprising given the current context) ? Could it be related to the shooting ? Or was it just a joke from Yeoman?

  • Out Of My System

    Hi there,
    Has anyone read the latest tv guide info about what Mr.Heller had to say to the viewers about Lorelai… Yes to Us dedicated viewers,

    I’m pretty sure he’s aware of what little hope we were holding onto…
    And Mr Heller is taking absolute pleasure in crushing our hearts like a cigarette!!
    And as if the spoiler news and pics by the official routes weren’t enough! We have random people from the finale episode putting up pics of SB onset which leaves nothing but dread for us. (okay maybe the last bit was a bit exaggerated)

    Plus, the promo pics from episode 4.23 has Lisbon in them, so she’s around when Jane going to be hitting rock bottom. So I’m thinking she must be taking care of whatever mess Jane has left behind before running away to Vegas in episode 4.24(maybe the mess of shooting one of his own??)

    Quite frankly i think the Powers that Be at TM are releasing these Spoilers so that we have less problem digesting where the story line is headed in this finale and season 5. Kind of like how a dentist prepares you by applying a topical anesthetic before giving the actual anesthesia via needle. Ouch!
    Well, to be honest how else can they think of topping last year’s finale…
    All the optimistic person in me can hope for is that its going to be awesome episode with all the characters being given great storylines!!

    Peace out.

  • Raven

    New SPOILERS

    Thanks to Robin Tunney Blog for posting this http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-Mentalist-Dexter-NCISLA-1046120.aspx

    After I read this I’m more than certain that something bad happen between Jane and Lisbon as we already assumed.
    “She comes into Jane’s life at a very, very low ebb. He’s at a moment when he really needs a helping hand and a little ray of light, and she provides that.”
    Normaly Lisbon was always the one who was with him, gave him new hope and kicked his sorry ass when he needed it. But as it seems she wouldn’t be the one to do this this time makes me think that maybe something happens to her (shot by Jane) or something that will cause a break up of their friendship.
    On one hand I’m glad that this woman won’t be just a fling to Jane, because Jane isn’t really the fling type but one the other hand it’s hard to imagine Jane sharing his inner thoughts with someone who isn’t Lisbon (after such a long time of friendship). I’m the only one who thinks so? I’m selfish?

  • Wallaby UK

    Well, I’m not in a tizz over Jane’s new love interest, as I feel he has to move on emotionally, before he ever has a chance with Lisbon.

    I have though become quite despondent over the episode synopsis of ‘So long, and thanks for the red snapper’ <>

    It’s the Cho and Summer comment :-(

    Will the ‘so long and thanks’ refer to these two as well. Why question the relationship? Is it because they are just too opposite to each other (although personally it works for me) or because she’s a CI and he shouldn’t technically be in a relationship with her, or because of her past as a hooker, although he should empathise from coming from a gang background.

    Reading that synopsis has left me gutted, I thought Summer lit up the screen, she had warmth and humour, a perfect foil to stoic Cho.

    I would of liked them to really get to know one another properly, they could have had a stormy passionate relationship, but it drawing them closer together.

    Oh well, just have to trust the writers…and hope they picked up on the mainly positive vibes about Cho and Summer.

  • Wallaby UK

    The synopsis was this…While investigating the murder of a surfer, Lisbon reconnects with her former fiancé, Kenny Johnson, who she hasn’t seen in over a decade. Also, Cho questions his decision to be in a relationship with Summer.

  • scully1992

    It’s got to be something really serious for Jane to hit such a low point. MAYBE he takes a shot at who he thinks is Redjohn but it turns out to be Lisbon, Jane thinks she’s dead and does a runner? That would explain Lisbon not being the one who is there for him? For us Jisbon shippers it could be that the new love interest is a means of Jane vocalising how he feels especially if it’s about Lisbon cos she’s the one person who he can’t confide in if it’s about herself…..fingers x’d!

  • Dreamy

    “Quite frankly i think the Powers that Be at TM are releasing these Spoilers so that we have less problem digesting where the story line is headed in this finale and season 5. Kind of like how a dentist prepares you by applying a topical anesthetic before giving the actual anesthesia via needle.”

    That’s exactly what I think, especially when I’m pessimistic : I think Heller actually wants to warn us (out of politeness) that “Yes whether you like it or not, the new love interest will lead to a serious relationship and so you can stop looking for reasons to believe and hope it won’t last” (that’s what I’m still doing as I still can’t accept it, everyone has their own opinion) Thus, we can take the time to digest it as you said.

    Writers must have thought that lots of fans and especially shippers would be more shocked and depressed if they were not informed in advance of what would happen so they decided to be “kind” and to release those nice spoilers…slowly….one by one…week after week >_< I personally find it cruel but it's just my opinion as an anxious, emotive and highly sensitive fan. I particularly dislike the fact that in the first spoiler, loralei was described as a "potential love interest" and finally the "potential" has disappeared. They know how much some people were holding on to this word even if it was for denial purposes. To me, it's like receiving a first slap in the face, then a second one more painful then another one etc… Indeed, those slaps are made to prepare us for the biggest punch ever (the finale).

    And so I'm getting prepared for one of the most stupid depressions in my life, which is occuring in exactly one month (I'm French so I'll have to wait for the 18th to have news and reviews about the finale) and it will go on in September and October (and maybe during the whole season 5). Yay….
    Sorry, it's ridiculous to feel like that but I can't help it. Now, I just hope that I'll be able to find people to talk with on a forum or a website or even here right after the finale because I'll certainly need it and I won't be the only one. Again, sorry about this. Let's just hope that we're done with the spoilers now. Also, it means that after the finale and the season 5, the best is yet to come (for desperate shippers like me, I mean). And well, I still hope that after the finale I'll actually feel happy and relieved because *puts rose-tinted glasses* nothing we were afraid of will happen, jane and lisbon will get together and everything will be fine and life will be beautiful and so on…yeeeaaaaaahhh

  • Out Of My System

    I was thinking about what Tunney had mentioned in an interview a few weeks back, that everyone but her character Lisbon thinks that Jane is in cahoots with RJ. But til now there has been no sign of the FBI agent Darcy showing up or for that matter CBI Boss Wainwright following up on her suspicion.

    Plus there are just 4 more episodes left in this season. And a lot of stuff is yet to play out like

    1. they said a lot of old characters would be seen this season presumbly through flashbacks or otheriwse…I was thinking Bosco or Frye or Hightower or Minelli Or Jane’s wife or child…

    2. the team still doesn’t know about RJ being alive and their reaction. Hey they are called a team for reason.
    .
    3. they said more would be revealed about RJ’s methods…

    4. how Kristina Frye was for the lack of a better word “Fried”.(hey you know what i mean) ;)

    5. FBI Investigation follow up…

    6. What is the back story on Wainwright I mean how come he’s the CBI teams boss. I remember their was a bit of past career history on Hightower. And his motives most importantly.

    Okay that’s a lot to be covered in 4 episodes. So i guess their are going to be super intense.

    (Okay got most of it out of my system.)

    Peace Out.

  • Out Of My System

    I was thinking about what Tunney had mentioned in an interview a few weeks back, that everyone but her character Lisbon thinks that Jane is in cahoots with RJ. But til now there has been no sign of the FBI agent Darcy showing up or for that matter CBI Boss Wainwright following up on her suspicion.
    Plus there are just 4 more episodes left in this season. And a lot of stuff is yet to play out like
    1. they said a lot of old characters would be seen this season presumbly through flashbacks or otheriwse…I was thinking Bosco or Frye or Hightower or Minelli Or Jane’s wife or child…
    2. the team still doesn’t know about RJ being alive and their reaction. Hey they are called a team for reason.
    .
    3. they said more would be revealed about RJ’s methods…
    4. how Kristina Frye was for the lack of a better word “Fried”.(hey you know what i mean)
    5. FBI Investigation follow up…
    6. What is the back story on Wainwright I mean how come he’s the CBI teams boss. I remember their was a bit of past career history on Hightower. And his motives most importantly.
    Okay that’s a lot to be covered in 4 episodes. So i guess their are going to be super intense.

    (Okay got most of it out of my system.)

    Peace Out.

  • GeeLady (GE Waldo)

    After reading all the comments, I am not so upset with this new “love interest” of Jane’s (at first I thought they were throwing her in just so, like everyone else, Jane gets and little T&A “under his belt” – which is a mentality not well suited to Jane’s post-death-of-family mind-character at all). However…
    Now I see she’s probably Jane’s little lady of temporary salvation at a time when he’s hit the bottom rung of life, so-to-speak, and needs someone – anyone – to help him not go lower (and who among us has NOT dated someone we thought might be The One, only to have it turn out badly?? Jane is only human, after all, and he’s lonely).
    Since this female character is a clone of Lisbon as well (I’m sure that was intentional on the part of General Bruno and his lieutenants), for Jane psychologically we can draw the obvious conclusions.

    I admit, I was a bit worried about this season’s ending but I remind myself that the show I think has been planned (at least from what I’VE read) to go until at least season 7. So there much time left for Jane and Lisbon to find one another again in any number of ways. \o/
    In the meantime into Jane’s life a lot of rain must fall. That is the bane of his life and the nature of his being and although Jane is portrayed as a strong person, even he has limits as to what sort of grief and/or anxieties he can endure…therefor serious, delightful, sorrowful, sexy angst awaits us in this season 4 ending/season 5 beginnings.

    YEAY BABY!!

  • tessjanes

    Sabe eu estou mal com esses spoillers quero muito acreditar que um dia o Jane e a Lisbon possam ficarem juntos mas está cada vez mais difícil isso acontecer.Sei que vou morrer de raiva quando ver o Jane com essa mulher.

  • tessjanes

    Eu concordo com você é uma possibilidade.

  • tessjanes

    É eu não queria que o Cho largasse a Summer acho ela muito legal,mas acho que isso pode acontecer sim,enquanto ao Jane sei que vou ficar com muita mais muita raiva mesmo de ver ele com essa mulher eu sei eu me conheço mas fazer o que não da pra fazer nada senão torcer para um dia jisbon acontecer.

  • tessjanes

    Bem eu não acho que os autores de TM estão se importando para o interesse do público não ,parece que eles escrevem para eles mesmo,por que eles só escrevem o que agrada a eles próprios não se importando com a vontade do telespectador.

  • tessjanes

    Também fico me pensando o porque de ser essa mulher a consolar ele e ajudar sendo que sempre a unica pessoa que ele confiou totalmente é a Lisbon(tanto que ele só contou para ela que o RJ não está morto) e agora que ele ta la no fundo do posso ele vai se apoiar e confiar em uma outra uma desconhecida sendo que a Lisbon sempre esteva la por ele sempre apoiando e até se dando mal por causa dele seria mais que justo que fosse ela la no lugar dessa mulher e por que não vai ser?É que realmente nos faz perguntar será que a pessoa que ele vai atirar vai ser ela ou então será que irão terminar essa temporada brigados oque será que vai acontecer?O que vai acontecer eu não sei só sei que parece que não vou gostar.

  • tessjanes

    Com certeza.

  • tessjanes

    Com certeza renderia muita história.E podíamos ver o Jane sentindo falta dela.

  • violet

    Just remember the ruckus when Jane dated Kristina. The result? He’s become even closer to Lisbon afterwards. More, he wouldn’t have become closer to her at all if it wasn’t for the angst and guilt Kristina’s disappearance put him through: he wouldn’t have tried to pull away for fear of something happening to her and the team, then he wouldn’t have tried to manage on his own and failed. Friendship, trust or romantic feelings take time and need to be built step by step, remember that if nothing happens, they will stay in this endearing but limited status quo, and if nothing/nobody comes shake a little their personal lives, they only will stay close in a professional way.

  • Wallaby UK

    É bom encontrar alguém que gosta da Cho e relacionamento de verão. Eu vou ficar triste de vê-lo terminar.

    Translation (I hope)

    It’s good to find someone else that likes the Cho and Summer relationship. I will be sad to see it end.

  • kamimimi

    I think everyone got the feeling: Why not Lisbon?
    She is the one that he confides most and all that, and he ends up with a strange. She needs to be a saint now, because would be out-of-character if Janes trust and confides in someone that he doens’t know well. He is too messed up for that, I think.
    Maybe opening up so well with a stranger, is a hint about he getting better. Anyone agrees?

    Sometimes hits me that the writters avoid Lisbon and Jane getting involved in a romantic relationship (All series’s writers with their respective couple, for the matter). It’s like they’re not letting the characters grow naturally. Go with the flow you y’know?:) Just so they can prolong and attach the shippers till the end of the serie. I have to agree that its more interesting the give and take, that the established relationships lose a lot of glamour, but you can’t just stop it from happening because you want to.

    I hope they put a explanation why he didn’t go to Lisbon in the first place, not as a shipper, but a “reader”. As Brainy said: “Continuity people!”

  • windsparrow

    “Anyone agrees? Sometimes hits me that the writters avoid Lisbon and Jane getting involved in a romantic relationship (All series’s writers with their respective couple, for the matter). It’s like they’re not letting the characters grow naturally. Go with the flow you y’know?:) Just so they can prolong and attach the shippers till the end of the serie.”

    I disagree. I do think it is quite natural for Jane – as he spreads his wings and stretches his heart to start moving on – to do so with almost anyone except Lisbon. There were several years when he behaved as though he were a natural pair-bonder – only one mating attachment at a time possible for that type of person, and to break the bond requires something very serious like death and takes a long time to really move on. I even wrote a heck of a long and emotionally fraught fanfic based on the premise that this is how he is. However, we were shown in “Fugue in Red” that that is not his nature. Honestly, I can’t see him bothering to be faithful to Tamarra. Which is not to say he could not be faithful to a woman he genuinely loved and had made a commitment to.

    That interlude showed Jane to be something other than a natural pair-bonder. Instead, he has been shown to be unable to connect romantically with a woman other than his wife for so many years – guilt and fear each playing a part in this. While in some ways, Baker has played Jane as a man whose very libido has been cauterized, burnt away, by trauma, in other ways it appears more like he has been knocked back a few developmental stages. For example, in “Blood Moon”, an episode Baker himself directed, he has a moment of trying to peek into Lisbon’s room as she is getting dressed. This is not the act of a man with no libido whatsoever. Likewise it is also not the act of a seasoned, mature man with fulfilling, healthy outlets for his sexuality. It is more like something a 12 year old boy (give or take a few years) on the cusp of puberty would do.

    So, two years after that, Jane is beginning to move on, beginning to think it is possible to seek those healthy, fulfilling outlets for his neglected sexuality. We know that he has a deep trust, respect, and affection for Lisbon. We know that at least subconsciously he is sexually aware of her. (Anyone who needs more evidence than “Blood Moon”, let me know. I have buckets of it.) But I think she actually means something more to him than someone like Tamarra would. He won’t use Lisbon as a way to move on; but she might well be the one he wants to move on *to*. Is it really natural for a newly awakened sexual being to form a permanent pair bond with the first person he expresses and explores that sexuality with? Only for those to whom the pair bond is a natural state. Those rare, adorable old couples who met when they were 14, got married as soon as they were old enough, and were still in love 60 years later when they died? They are natural pair-bonders who had the good fortune to meet their proper partner early on. This is not the sort of thing that happens to people, like Jane, for whom playing the field is natural.

    Baker and the showrunners have given us hints that Jane does not want Lisbon to be a rebound fling, and that Jane and Lisbon could *possibly* get together at the end of the series. He is certainly not ready for a permanent commitment now. So for a happy ending for Teresa and Patrick together, Patrick has to plow (forgive the crudity) through at least one, if not more, transitional relationships.

  • Out Of My System

    The official CBS synopsis for The Mentalist – Episode 4.24 – The Crimson Hat – After Jane fails to defeat Red John, he finds a lover and shoots one of his own.

    Yup that’s it. They are not giving away more than they already have, which is great!

    Anyone else find it weird that it says ‘finds a lover’ first followed by ‘shoots one of his own’.
    As in Jane shooting one of his own is after hitting rockbottom and meeting Loralei.
    Are any of our assumptions ever going to be anywhere near correct.
    Nah i guess not. Better this way too.
    I’m looking forward to some kick ass character development and storylines for all of them.

    Peace Out.

  • reviewbrain

    “However, we were shown in “Fugue in Red” that that is not his nature”

    May I just point out that Jane in that episode was *not* Jane, It is a mistake to make any assumptions on his character based on that episode simply because he was not himself, had no memory of who he was, or what his nature is. All he had were his skills. That being said, you may still be right that he, or at least was, a pair-bonder…

    “It is more like something a 12 year old boy (give or take a few years) on the cusp of puberty would do. ”

    Love and totally agree with this :)

    “This is not the sort of thing that happens to people, like Jane, for whom playing the field is natural.”

    Again, I honestly don’t think there’s enough evidence to make that assumption. And while it’s true that Baker et.al have made remarks that Jane needs to re-sow his oats before moving onto Lisbon, I’m inclined to think that maybe just their way of justifying delaying the relationship to the very end (not that they need to) if they in fact want one to take place. There really is nothing stopping Jane and Lisbon from getting together at this point. On the other hand, there isn’t anything dictating it either. It’s a judgment call and based on there still being three years left on the show, I think they went with the more interesting one.

    I’ll be maintaining my own view that Jane isn’t into short term relationships/flings until we are shown otherwise. We’ve gotten so many hints, the most vivid in my memory being in episode Red Tide, when he and Lisbon share a look of mutual bemusement at how the teenagers could hook up with the act meaning anything. Before that he’d stated: “you made love, you are lovers,” only to be corrected that it’s just hooking up, doesn’t mean anything.

    So I do think Jane takes acts of intimacy seriously, that he always had. That is, until he lost his wife.

    Now? I don’t know. People change. We’ll have to wait and see…

  • GeeLady (GE Waldo)

    I agree with much of what you stated above. Thus far the series has given us no significant evidence that Jane is inclined to play the field. When he lost his memory in Fugue in Red, it was due to the traumatic event of the drowning and his equally traumatic memories surrounding the loss of his family that caused the amnesia (I believe the attending doc’ said something to that effect). Although Jane did revert to his con-man days, I believe his lusting after pretty women was the natural result of his long denied libido PLUS his having no recollection of ever having been married or a father.
    Jane once said to Danny Ruskin that he and Angela escaped from the carnie life: “That’s what we did, we escaped together.”

    So just how old was Jane when he and Angie eloped??

    A loose calculation:

    – Jane’s family has been dead 8 years now.
    – Jane’s daughter (from the single ghostly image we get to see of her in season 1), died when she was perhaps 8 or 9 years old.
    – Now IF Jane is being portrayed as SB’s true age (42?), then Jane and Angela had Charlotte when Jane was 26 years old.
    – IF he and the wife were together even a few years trying to get some sort of life established, say maybe 3 years, that puts Jane at a fairly modest age of 23 as a new husband.
    – The most significant fact is they left the carnie life together, and to me that sounds like something two young people do together. They fall in love and make a pact to escape their mutually hated lives and run away. But if Jane is being portrayed as a man in his late thirties, that puts Jane even a bit younger than 23 – maybe 20 or so when he and Angela left.

    I don’t know how old Jane is supposed to be on the series, but with either age he did not have a lot of years prior to his marriage to practice the floozy life-style that the amnesiac Jane suddenly got into.

    Having said that, Jane soon obviously goes through some serious $hit and it changes his perspective on things a bit. Perhaps he decides it is time to give up the hunt for Red John that has consumed his life and soul with little results but a body count, and this woman who comes into his life he sees as his ticket back to normalcy? (The fact that she resembles Lisbon could be a subconscious thing on Jane’s part – one he does not clue into right away. Even a mentalist can have an off day).

    She could turn out to be another Red John agent, or just a woman who gives Jane some down time that he desperately needs. But it doesn’t last as we know it cannot.

    My guesses are many but one possibility is this lady becomes Red John’s victim and it spurs Jane to scurry back to the CBI, his lust to kill Red John renewed and then some. Perhaps that is Red John’s intention, as Red John seems content to have Jane where he is (in the CBI), and with whom he is (Lisbon and the team).

    I don’t think Jane taking off with some new female is in ANY plan Red John has in mind for his sole obsession – the long suffering Patrick Jane.

    Just a few thoughts.

  • JustMe

    Here’s a few more thoughts:

    What if Red John threatens Lisbon instead? Jane is off the CBI and with someone else but Red John is not content with that as Jane is not where he is supposed to be. That place that he “is supposed to be” could either be with Lisbon or with the CBI. This is Red John and we don’t even know his motives so it could be either or both.

    Jane willingly leaves Loralei to head back to Lisbon (and by association, the CBI). Now wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants to Loralei. It would just prove to her that Lisbon is the most important woman to Jane. She may try to rationalize that he is protecting a friend but if she then goes back to Sacramento with him, she would see the STRONG resemblance between her and Lisbon. I don’t think any woman could ignore that.

    Of course Jane bringing a woman with him would of course cause all sorts of angst and unsorted feelings for the rest of the season even if Lorelai doesn’t stick around. How could it not as he moved on with Lisbon’s Doppleganger after Lisbon’s been the one that has just flat out been there for him.

    I’m beginning to get all excited for next year and the angst.

  • kamimimi

    I think this interview from Bruno Heller may clarify your doubt:

    http://robingreenshades.blogspot.com.br/2012/04/spoiler-alert-bruno-hellers-short.html

    I think that the shooting is after the bottom, but I may not get all the details or nuances of it because english it’s not my native language. Help yourself out. :)

  • kamimimi

    Nice idea. I’m excited too. A new love interest for Jane is a lot of material for angst stuff and god know how I love some angst romance.

    I have one of my own:
    What if Red John’s message is concerning Lisbon? Something like: “She makes you too happy. If you don’t want to see her die, do something -Insert evil laugh here-”
    It’s very cliche, but would explain why he would shoot her, IF he is shooting her.

  • Out Of My System

    Thanks a ton for the link :)
    You deduced right, and English isn’t my native tongue either. :)
    Then the shooting could point out to some sort of charade put up to mislead RJ, or keep him from hurting the others? Jane’s master plan then? What exactly does Mr.Heller mean by “don’t believe everything you see”?

    Peace Out.

  • kamimimi

    I think that too. ;D
    Don’t believe everything you see could be for Lorelei too. Because as stated before: She is too good to be true.
    And why lord they keep pressing the same button? Could it be a double-bluff?

  • violet

    Yes, he has a gun… And where is his vest? o_O

  • kamimimi

    And where is his razor too D:

  • dearmag

    Am I the only one who saw that he as a gun and he’s oh so close to Lisbon? OMG!!! What, for God’s sake, it’s happening there?

    Is it May yet? I want answers! :O

  • dearmag

    Thanks for the welcome, I really love your blog :D

    Unfortunatly, I don’t think that Lisbon’s plot will go this way anymore, it would be awesome, but yeah =(

    It seems that all these spoilers throw at us is leaving more and more questions, and I fear that with all the thoughts that I’m having, I’ll end up getting frustrated when the time comes and the plot go all BAM! “Nothing about Lisbon to see here, folks, come back next season”.

    But I still have faith… I think :P

  • Raven

    A new revelation about episode 4×23 made me gasp in shock!!! Mentalistwriters on twitter just posted their season 4 board with short infos. A quick look at 4×23 made me freeze. It says “Jane loses shit, SLAPS Lisbon”.
    Now I’m more curious to find out what the hell will happen between them.

  • Out Of My System

    Absolutely curious, you beat me to it :)!!!

    Did the mentalistwriters actually forget that we can (in Jane’s words) bigify that pic!! I wonder if anyone’s in trouble, if that was indeed a slip up!
    Cant wait to see these last 3 episodes!
    Jane cant afford to screw up his relationship with the Team, and yes Especially Lisbon. Would be very interesting to see how he manages without them, if that’s where the story-line is headed. I don’t think Lisbon gives him that black eye, it might be a bouncer or somebody at the Las Vegas casino.

    Peace Out!

  • Out Of My System

    And Its Not Even May yet!!!

  • Raven

    I do think they did it on purpose to remind us to watch season finale (as if we would ever forget).

    “I don’t think Lisbon gives him that black eye, it might be a bouncer or somebody at the Las Vegas casino.”
    I think that too. It might be some of these guys. Looks like Jane’s going a little too far as always. http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/315/4249.jpg

    Can’t wait to see how they will handle their relationship after this one in season 5.

  • Out Of My System

    Agreed, it might as well be a double bluff! I mean at the rate at which these spoilers are being revealed, who knows!
    One things for sure, these spoilers certainly have built up tons and tons of hype and interest!
    The coming episodes sure have a lot to deliver to live up to the expectations created!!!

    Peace out.

  • Out Of My System

    I guess it was a big whupp!! They have taken that tweet off their twiiter feed. I just hope nobody’s in trouble because of that.

    Peace Out.

  • Raven

    I correct. Now I think it was an accident because they deleted the picture/tweet and replaced it with another showing us only until episode 420. Too bad we already saw the spoiler :) *laughs*

  • windsparrow

    Jane slaps Lisbon, final scene of the season finale had better be him going to Africa to get a soul.
    {/Buffy the Vampire Slayer reference}

  • JustMe

    But what if it’s all a giant ruse? Darcy saying why hasn’t RJ targeted the team may have been a bit of foreshadowing and that is what the last two episodes are, the attempt to throw RJ and the FBI off the scent of the team.

    I remember in ‘Red Queen’ I think that we all thought that Hightower had gone to the dark side until we saw the actual in flashbacks and what her and Jane had concocted.

    What if this is like that but we don’t get the flashbacks until the first episode of next year? That I could live with but I still think that the shock for Lisbon will be the new woman. Not something that she would expect after she sent Jane off or the supposed fallout of him from the team.

    Just a thought.

  • tessjanes

    É poderia ser isso mesmo a mensagem do RJ pode ser sobre a Lisbon.

  • tessjanes

    É também estranhei o sumiço do colete do Jane.

  • tessjanes

    É bem que essa Lorelai( não consigo escrever o nome dela) podia ser um blefe ser uma mentira e sair logo de TM,mas por outro lado se ela for uma pessoa ruim miga do RJ o Jane vai ficar mais mal e talvez fique mais difícil de Jisbon acontecer seria melhor ele terminar com ela por ver que não gosta dela como mulher e que realmente quem é a mulher da vida dele é a Lisbon.

  • Out Of My System

    http://robingreenshades.blogspot.in/2012/05/spoiler-alert-article-about-mentalist.html

    So Jane loses his job at CBI and goes back to his psychic act after episode 23? Episode 24 is actually months after in terms of storyline.

    Sounds very interesting, wonder how they will balance it with police procedural theme of the show.
    And i also read on twitter that Simon Baker is turning producer Next season, don’t really know whether its true or not. Has any read it anywhere else to be sure?

  • scully1992

    I haven’t read that about Simon Baker BUT it sounds promising! Interesting that 23 / 24 are set months apart though… Maybe Red John isn’t happy that Jane is no longer looking for him and threatens one of the CBI team? I’m thinking Lisbon and that would send him and his Lisbon look-a-like back to CBI – can’t wait!

  • kamimimi

    I just saw the promo for Red Rover, Red Rover (Some idea about the title? Don’t know what it means) and I need to point out that the guy who is being dragged by Cho it’s not Jane. The first three times that I watched it, I thought was Jane. Then I watched it pausing and for my surprise, it’s Wainwright!

    Then I put a little thought on it. Spoilers are saying that Jane has a breakdown in CBI and loses his job. O-k. Then the promo tries to confuse us about who is having a nervous attack. (At least me :P). O-k 2. Jane hitting someone (I think it’s Cho) with a shovel was to theatrical in my opinion. So O-k 3.

    The idea of JustMe (The one just above) is sounding more and more accurate for me. It seems as Jane is plotting something, maybe sacrificing himself for the first time for the team, losing his job and separating from the team so Red John wouldn’t target them. Or it could be just another mind game for RJ. My vote is for the second one.
    The little girl (Who I thought was a ghost first time) asked if Jane gave up already. It reminds me of Red John trying to extrincate himself from Jane’s in the last season finale, with the: “Find someone to love” and “I’m retiring”.
    Maybe Jane thinks that convincing Red John that he moved on (Quitting CBI) and finding a lover it’s a way of making Red John reveal himself by making what RJ wanted him to do.

  • windsparrow

    “Red Rover” is a children’s game in the U.S. A big group of kids divides up into two teams, they form two lines facing each other. Each line of kids holds hands. A team captain calls out “Red Rover, Red Rover, let (somebody from the other team) come over!” The kid whose name was called runs across and tries to break through the line. If the kid succeeds at breaking the line, she or he gets to take part of that team back to her or his line. If the kid does not break through, then she or he has to stay on that side.

    I’m not entirely certain that this is meant to be part of the reference, but in the weird spy show “The Prisoner” there were things guarding the town, keeping prisoners there, called “rovers” – they were big round things that would capture and suffocate anyone who crossed a boundary in trying to escape. The props were made of weather balloons, but the effect they had was chillingly effective.

  • kamimimi

    Thank you for clarifying this.
    Maybe it’s a metaphor for Jane situation? He wants to break through from this state of mind, this life even, and the barrier that he finds is RJ.
    Darcy suspecting him is like she presumed that he tried to break throught the ‘other kids’ and didn’t make it, so, like the game, he must be with the another team already.

  • mon

    Just wondering what people make of the new promo for Red Rover Red Rover? There’s an instant where we see Jane seated at a table set for two, thinking about the anniversary of this family’s murder. This joined with the little girl’s message..have you given up? makes me think that the meal might be for himself and Lisbon. I wonder was he on the brink of making a move with her, but it all comes crashing down once more when he realises that he can’t just abandon the RJ case. Can’t wait to see it Friday nite!

  • kamimimi

    I think it’s for three. It’s like he celebrates the anniversary ‘pretending’ to have a meal with them. Poor Jane, really

  • Out Of My System

    I was thinking its RJ reserving the table for PJ plus two(wife and daughter)… sort of continuing with his mind games, messing with PJ’s head.

  • mon

    aw no, yes that actually (sadly) sounds more likely. Poor Jane!

  • GeeLady (GE Waldo)

    Considering the promo I just saw for next week, all I can say is – HAH! – looks like my theory was right! \o/ (Can’t say more right now – too spoilery) :D

  • kamimimi

    I saw the promo for Crimsom Hat and one scene disturbed me the most.
    The one that Jane is being pinned down to the ground (Or the wall, can’t figure out) by someone and I think it’s Lisbon holding his hand. Its strange, don’t you guys think?
    Why would someone hold his hand while he was being pinned down?!
    That reminded of mental institutions. Like someone being supportive while the doctors sedate the poor guy.
    Some ideas?

  • scully1992

    I saw the promo too but I was thinking it was the new love interest woman Lorelilea (sorry that’s spelt wrong!) Maybe she’s a RJ stooge making sure Jane really has ‘gone over’ to the dark side and the Lisbon ‘shooting’ is the act Jane (with Lisbon part of the act) has to go through to prove himself….?

  • mon

    I slowed the promo way down, and it’s somebody holding down Jane and grasping a pair of pliers aiming to cut off his ring finger.

  • kamimimi

    I think that too!
    He is probably going to the darkside to catch Red John and shooting one of his own is a prove. Oooor it’s not Lisbon in the office, oooor he don’t shoot her and make a scene. But to do that he would need a morgue attendant to swape the body and someone from the team to identify it. Too much trouble, isn’t it?

    This assuming that the scene in the office take places in the end of the episode. The shooting could be something related to the ‘hits rock bottom’ and the chase that appears in the promo too.
    Too damn possibilities that I can think :(

  • kamimimi

    Oh, you’re right! Thought that was too differente scenes, thanks ;)

  • scully1992

    I think you are on the right track! There is a morgue attendent AND coroner in the cast list for next week AND Van Pelt was crying in the trailer….. Maybe it’s the old fake blood trick with some hypnotism/bio-feedback technique to effect the pulse rate… The coroner / attendent would have to be in on it – if RJ thinks Jane has killed Lisbon he will believe Jane has come over to the dark side & reveal himself! Maybe season 5 will start off with Lisbon at a safe house / in hiding especially if the ‘love interest’ woman is around for 5 episodes? Could give up some quality Jisbon moments too if Jane knows where Lisbon is and secretly visits or they make us wait 5 episodes for a reunion! I don’t think I can stand the wait til next week let alone next season!

  • Raven

    “Maybe season 5 will start off with Lisbon at a safe house / in hiding especially if the ‘love interest’ woman is around for 5 episodes? Could give up some quality Jisbon moments too if Jane knows where Lisbon is and secretly visits or they make us wait 5 episodes for a reunion!”

    I don’t think Loralei will appear in the first 5 episodes. Her appearance will be like Sarah’s, Summer’s or Craig’s spread over the whole season. Means also Libson would be in the safehouse for almost a year. I don’t think thats gonna happen at least not this way but you might be right with the fake death.

  • julienic73gmail

    Why would r want jane as a disciple if he isn’t working at the cbi. Although i do think that an undercover op isa possibility as jane obviously tells some about rj wanting him and would could that be but lisbon.

  • scully1992

    OR if Loralei is working for RJ she may need to hang around to make sure Jane is really fully over to the dark side, I think Wainwright is RJ’s man at the CBI so once Jane is out of there someone else has to be RJ’s eyes and she comes along at just the ‘right’ moment….

  • Raven

    Am I the only one who thinks that this Loralei person has NOTHING to do with Red John or any conspiracy? That she’s simple a woman who brings Jane back on his feet and give him the chance of a serious relationship after such a long dry spell. Heller said too, thats she’s not fling.

    As much as I want her to be a mole or something like that (because it’s hard to see some other woman on Jane’s side than Lisbon), I doubt Heller would go the same way with her as he did with Craig.

    I think she is just a normal woman who will unlock Jane’s heart for something new than vengeance or grief.

  • kamimimi

    I thought that too. Because she needs to make the audience like her, after all she is getting in the way of the shippers, like me.However, spoiler’s said that she is ‘too good to be true’.
    It could have been meant as a compliment like the relationship that Jane and her will develop is going to sound like a fairy tale. After all, it’s Jane in a relationship, it must be something without precedences.
    Or it could not be and we will be faced with the syren hypothesis. :)

  • kamimimi

    if the fake death take place, she will stay in a safe house, but just for two episodes top, I think.
    And as Raven said, Lorelei would probably appear throught all the season five, as Heller stated, she is not just a fling. Even flings are scattered all over the season in The Mentalist :D

  • kamimimi

    And what about the favor that Bret Stiles owes to Jane?

  • Out Of My System

    In the CTV promo, Loralei supposedly says ”I do whatever RJ tells me to do”. So i guess she could turn out to be an innocent pawn of RJ (or not so innocent)
    I searched a lot for this CTV promo of the finale. Couldn’t find it!!! I really hope someone puts it up.
    And why was the slap and Agent Darcy’s appearance cut from the last episode. Would have been an excellent build up for the finale.

  • Out Of My System

    Hmm…I wonder if they will address open links like the one you mentioned in the finale. We have been told that all the following will be addessed.
    They have to cover
    1.the FBI followup by Agent Darcy.
    2.a murder in Las Vegas which the team is working on,
    3.another foiled attempt at defeating RJ by PJ-part,
    4.PJ going back to his fake psychic routine in Las Vegas,
    5.seeing old characters back (as Tunney mentioned in an interview)
    6.How RJ hypnotized Kristina Frye or more on RJ’s techniques?
    7.How PJ gets that black eye?
    8.Shooting one of his own team members?
    Hopefully all this one episode (43mins)

    Does anyone think Grace is crying bcoz Jane’s shot Rigsby??
    I sincerely think I should have taken ReviewBrain’s advice and stayed away from the spoilers! Well maybe next year!

  • geelady

    I have no doubt that Rigsy gets shot because PJ only thinks its RJ – dark room, etc…

  • kamimimi

    Can be. Rigsby it’s the most likely to get shot :) If it’s not meant by Jane.

  • kamimimi

    Yeah, as the episode ended I thought: “Darcy wasn’t supposed to be here?” Even Jane fight with Wainwright would be more plausible because Wainwright is cooperating with Darcy.

  • kamimimi

    43 minutes is too short for my taste and the issues that they have to address. :( Probably they will stuff all in the 40 minutes AND a week’s case.
    As for the covers, L.A.’s murder can be placed at Jane’s new job. The failed attempt I don’t know.
    Seeing old characters I think she was referring to O’Laughlin talking with Van Pelt. It would be awesome if she was referring to Kristina Frye, the woman can just stay thinking that she is dead for the rest of her life (Can’t she? :O)
    I think the black eye could be a consequence of the shooting, Cho’s or Rigsby or even Van Pelt’s doing. :D

  • kamimimi

    http://robingreenshades.blogspot.com.br/2012/05/mentalist-4×24-season-finale-ctv-promo.html

    Here it is!
    So, Lorelei it’s actually a declared RJ acolyte?o__o And that’s why Jane stated in the other promo that RJ its trying to make him his disciple? And Jane actually goes for it?? Because Lorelei will appear the next season, so, they still talk. So Jane doesn’t kill her or something.

    Good lord!!

  • Raven

    Now I’m really confused. Why is she described as a woman with a “heart of gold” if she’s working with RJ. Does this woman don’t know she’s working with a seriel killer, if she is so intelligent???
    I can understand Jane using her to get closer to RJ but her description in the media and her background around the seriel killer does not make any sense to me.
    I wanted to give her a try but after this I don’t know…

  • kamimimi

    Maybe she is just naive. Like the people with Bret Stiles. And Red John didn’t requested anything from her yet, like open someone with a knife and paint a red smiley in their wall rs.

  • mon

    Am I right in thinking that the second part of the finale is set a few months in advance? I’m pretty sure I read that somewhere. I have this idea that Jane is already in Vegas, having apparantly made a clean break from the CBI..and then a case draws the team to Vegas-awkward meet ups arise! I really wanted to see Lisbon attempting to check in on Jane at his place…and all she gets is a “You’re sweet”. He could have least muttered a thanks! Or perhaps there will be more Jane/Lisbon interaction before the whole Vegas thing. Looks like they’re chatting in a church in one of the promo photos. You can see the candles behind and looks like they’re sitting in pews. Ooh can’t wait for next week. Was at the edge of my seat last night watching part one!

  • Maria.

    Or maybe she is a part of Jane´s con and is talking to him about the plan? As in “so, I do whatever RJ tells me to do”. What do you guys think? Too lame?

  • Raven

    numer0six from SpoilerTV.com tried to decipher the CTV Promo

    girl in red: “Hey Patrick”
    Jane: “I’m a con man. I steal from people”

    Afro-american lady: “***?** about Jane? It’s too bad”
    Lisbon : “too bad about what?”
    AAL: “He got busted for assault, fraud, narcotic, resisting arrest …”

    Jane: “I didn’t raised the bail”
    cop: “Someone raised it for you”

    Jane: “Nice to meet you again by the way.”
    Girl in red: “**?**”
    Jane: “**?** ”
    Girl in red: “I do whatever RJ tells me to do. Your freedom, our night together. That was a gift to you.”

  • JustMe

    I read the transcript of the CTV promo, and I have to say that I think that Lorelai may have a recurring role next year but it may be as a witness or an accomplice. Her recurring role could very well be her in detention and when she is on air, it is Jane trying to get info on RJ.

    Now if Jane sees her as a pawn and she hasn’t really done anything extremely horrible (save being pimped out to him) I can see Jane sympathizing with her much to Lisbon’s distaste.

    This could also be a ploy that shows Jane the only woman who hasn’t betrayed or used him without his knowledge, was always in front of him and he may start recongnizing what he has.

    This in no way means that they will be ready next year especially considering his first lover after his wife is a RJ acolyte.

    Poor Jane. Hope Lisbon is strong enough to help him this time as I think it will set him back a bit.

  • kamimimi

    The transcription is what Raven posted above?

  • scully1992

    http://www.redblog-thementalist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/promo-424-crimson-hat-cbs-2.html?m=1

    Ok, so this could be a bit outrageous BUT why not it’s Sunday and I’ve work tomoro so here goes…. After having watched the cbs trailer at redblog and mindful of the whole watch closely thing WHAT IF Jane shooting one of his own is Rigsby (see bit of trailer with Rigsby or someone in the same suit on the floor with blood then Van Pelt crying) and in Lisbon’s office the shots are not Jane shooting Lisbon BUT Lisbon shooting Jane! She is a CBI Agent after all and would she go straight into training mode and get to her weapon before Jane fires especially if RJ has got him fighting against himself as to whether to pull the trigger… Just a thought ;)

  • kamimimi

    You could be right! :D That would be nice, not expected at least.
    But for me it seemed as Lisbon was too shocked to take some action (She would not let him point the gun at her without pointing her own if she was in cop mode, at first place, I guess…), AND I think that the gun Jane is holding is actually Lisbon’s. (I don’t know anything about guns, but that gun seems different from the one that we saw him holding on his holster in the photos). But that hypothesis would make two shootings for the season finale, two of ‘his own’. Your idea is more likely.

    Nice ;)

  • JustMe

    Yeah because when you see it, its like she’s letting Jane know that RJ is only looking out for him in his own sick way. He can stay free and out of jail and keep the girl as long as he does what RJ says.

    Twisted… And really really sick.

    I don’t think that when the character of Lorelai comes back next year it will be in the guise of his new lover but very possibly as a witness.

    She could be RJ’s first mistake as she is left alive because RJ is overconfident that he has Jane on side.

    RJ suffers the same character flaws as Jane and that includes over confidence and hubris. I still think Jane is spiralling out of control because he doesn’t have Lisbon now but she help him pull together to pull off the con when he runs into her in Vegas. I think them pulling them so close this year will lead to this moment because you just can’t destroy a connection that deep.

    And that means that hopefully he will have a live witness that he can get information from.

  • Ann

    In my opinion we really have to wait for the episode because you know how the promo can be misleading, and since it’s final episode of the season I don’t think that they would show that much if it was reall.
    I mean
    1)the biggest question: who will Jane shoot? And then we se him point his gun at Lisbon
    2) Is this Lorelai (I can’t remember her name) really “to good to be true”? And we hear her saying that she do everything RJ asks her
    I think that poeple from production know very well about storm in the internet about this episode and about what’s is the most concering us so they made up promo to tease us, bou how much of it is reall?
    I also think that Lorelai can’t be that bad because after all she will be Jane’s possible love interest in season 5. So there has to be something more into it. Maybe after all she will develop some feelings towards Jane and plan to help him insted of helping RJ? Who knows?

  • JustMe

    You are very correct Ann. Look at the furor over the supposed story board and the ‘slap’ that was supposed to be. THANK GOD that didn’t happen. But did they say that she would be a recurring character love interest or just a recurring character? Maybe I’m wrong but I thought they said she was just a recurring character next year. Who knows as we will eventually find out but the speculation is always a way to wile away a hiatus!

    But to be honest, I love the speculation! So this show ends up entertaining me for more than one night a week so I’m good with it and all its nuances.

    Bring on Thursday I say!

  • Ann

    Well saddly I’ve heard that it was “potential love interest” :( But most of the time I still hoped (and hope) that this Lorelai girl isn’t connected to RJ. I ship Jane and Lisbon and I don’t like the fact of him with another woman but do they have to make most of love intersts in this show friends of RJ? First some man with Grace, then Craig. Now Lorelai? Jane was making a progress this season in man-women sector so if she will turn out to be RJ friend and only using Jane I’m afraid that he will be back to this closed up person.
    * I hope someone understand what I write, sorry for my english ;)

  • mon

    You’re welcome!

  • kamimimi

    Guys, I have a crazy idea cooking up in my mind.
    Since we all watch the series and we all like to discuss about and the last episode is making a big big fuzz, what about we “set” a real time chat after the season’s finale?
    It’s difficult because we all live in different time zones but we could try it.
    What do you think?
    If we can’t there will always be good and old Reviewbrain’s wordpress :)

  • reviewbrain

    It’s a cool idea. If readers want, I can set up a post for the chat to go on via comments here…that might make it more inclusive as not all people use same chat-ware (twitter, msn, bbm, etc…)

  • Raven

    That’s a very good idea. Some of us including me are able to watch this episode first on friday. If the discussion would be on saturday or sunday (for those who work on friday) that would be great ;)

  • kamimimi

    Its like that for me two. :( Yarr yarr I’m a Pirate!

  • JustMe

    Just had a thought, what if Loralei is actually FBI? Told to get close to Jane and see if he is working for Red John? Push him a little?

    That would be a twist.

  • matt

    Does anyone know who that was in the back of the limo!?!? Was that Wainwright!?

  • Raven

    Yes, it was Wainwright :)

  • Ann

    I love Mentalist’s writers really, when we were going on and on that this episode will be a killer for the Jane/Lisbon friendship and I’m scared to watch it they make their friendship even stronger!

  • GeeLady (GE Waldo)

    Ditto! Lots of Jisbon shippiness in this episode. And that kiss on the top of her head that Jane gave RJ’s slaughter-slut at the end is just another piece in the longer con’ that he and Lisbon are now in together on. This whole thing is a con’ within a con’. Love it!!

  • Yeah ...Right

    In The Crimson Hat episode, Lorelei and Agent Darcy are wearing a gold necklace with the same ornament !!

  • suzjazz

    I just discovered this blog and I love it because I agree with everything Reviewbrain has posted so far. ( I see that there are no new posts since last June, or maybe i just can’t find them?) BF and I are frustrated that they are showing so many reruns. There’s supposed to be a new episode next Sunday and I hope they come through. The story just keeps getting more twisted and confusing, and Jane’s personality has become much darker and less cheery and cocky. It appears that he is closing in on RJ through Lorelei but if there is still another season after this one, he can’t be getting that close. I want to know more about the real Lisbon–the one she keeps under wraps because she is so invested in being the professional cop. She has always intrigued me because she is badass and incredibly brave, very tough, a strict follower of rules and laws except when Jane convinces her to look the other way. At the same time, she is tightly wound and perfectionistic. She needs to relax and have fun–I get the impression that except for dancing to the Spice Girls alone in her apartment, she never has any fun.
    Jane tries to loosen her up and get her to enjoy life, but he’s rarely successful for long. The writers have been holding back on us with Lisbon–we know she’s damaged, that her parents were both alcoholics and she had to raise her brothers, but there is a still more terrible trauma that she suffered in the past which even Jane hasn’t figured out yet.
    She keeps her own counsel and doesn’t want to get close to anyone.
    I’m no writer, but I am imagining all kinds of scenarios…

  • suzjazz

    “anyone think Lisbon eventually quitting might be a feasible option?” See my first post where I suggest this very thing–not so that she can be free to date Jane, but because she is so traumatized by her recent experience (my scenario) with RJ in which she shoots him to save Jane’s life after RJ has kidnapped and tortured both of them. I’d like to see her quit and spend her time painting watercolors and getting a dog to play with.

  • JustMe

    Actually I’ve been of the mind that she and Jane would quit after all the drama and trauma. Maybe go and find a new city together, fresh start…

    I really wouldn’t mind that being the ending at all….

  • suzjazz

    I should add that I very much want to see Jane and Lisbon together as a romantic couple: they belong together.

  • suzjazz

    I’m sure that by now you must realize that Lorelei is a RJ agent–I just re-watched the episode in which she and Jane hook up, and Lorelei tells him straight out that she works for RJ and does whatever he tells her to do. This is the morning after they slept together, and Jane’s defenses are so down that he hasn’t even suspected her. I admit that I missed this part of the show the first time around and I assumed that Jane discovers that Lorelei is a RJ operative and then sleeps with her as a way of getting closer to RJ. It’s really shocking to see her tell him without batting an eyelash, saying that their night together was “a gift” from RJ. Jane’s face after he orders her to leave is a study in suppressed rage with a half
    smile.

  • suzjazz

    Now that we are in the midst of Season 5, my last reply to your post is old news–I don’t want to put any spoilers in my post in case you missed the episode in which Jane gets Lorelei out of prison. There have been so many reruns on lately that I can’t remember the status of the hunt for RJ anymore…hopefully this Sunday’s episode will take up the narrative again

  • suzjazz

    Hear hear! There is nothing remotely resembling a sibling relationship between Jane and Lisbon. You’re right on about the episode with Lisbon’s real brother.

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